Who can help me with the results of my Y-DNA test?
I recently did a Y-DNA test. Who out there is knowledgeable about this test that can answer some of my questions? For example, my surname is Barnard and there are no Barnard matches on my Y-DNA test. I have a suspicion as to why this is, but wanted to run it by somebody with some experience. Thanks,
Jake
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I'm the admin for 15 FTDNA Project. Can you provide more information? Which test did you take? How many matches do you have and at what level? Are there one or two surnames that dominate you match list?
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Thanks for responding so quickly. Let me give you some history to explain.
My earliest known paternal ancestor through which I get my Y-DNA is my 3rd great grandfather George Richard Alfred Barnard. I have been trying to find his parents for over a decade. He lived from 1816 to 1908. The censuses of him every 10 years show variable places of birth. Some say he was born in New York and others state that he was born on a ship in the Atlantic Ocean. His obituary says that he was born on a ship in the Atlantic Ocean coming from England. One census shows he was born in Pennsylvania. I don't think George knew where he was born or he was trying to hide that info.
Through autosomal DNA testing, I recently found that he had a sister named Caroline Barnard born around 1817. Her marriage record says that she was adopted. Therefore, I assume that George was also adopted with her.
I recently did the Y-DNA test. There are no Barnard matches. The most common name coming up is Elliott, especially at the 67 marker testing. I assume that the name Elliott was changed and eventually became Barnard. I am not sure when that happened, but it very well could have been that George was born Elliott and adopted into the Barnard family.
I guess my question is....does my logic seem correct with my Y-DNA results? Is there anything else I should know about the test that could help me?
Thanks,
Jake Barnard
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I did the 111 test. I have 7 matches at the 111 marker and none of those matches have the same surname with each other. One is Elliott. None are Barnard.
At the 67 marker there are 112 matches total. 31 of those matches are Elliott, by far the most common surname. There are no Barnard surnames at this marker either.
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This certainly does sound like an adoption or other NPE.
Are the Elliotts closest in terms of genetic difference -- the number of markers that vary? That shows on the matching page.
On the same page, look to see what tests the others have taken. Have any done the Big Y? If so, note their haplogroups, especially for the Y-111 matches. How close are the Y-111 GDs? Did some of those who match at 67 take the Y-111 but aren't listed on that page? You can possibly eliminate them from consideration.
If you haven't already, I'd join the Elliot project. They'll group you with like matches and you'll be able to compare specific markers. It would be nice to know what haplogroup you belong to so that you can join its project. That would mean buying the Big Y, though. (If you had no Y-111 matches, I wouldn't recommend it. But like all the upgrades, it will narrow your results -- perhaps even to zero!) Have you emailed the Elliott tester yet? And have you discussed this with your own project admin?
I hope this helps a bit. Thanks for joining the group and feel free to continue asking questions.
-Michael
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Thanks again for getting back to me. Based on your questions, I think I am on the right track with my logic for the DNA Y-test.
I will look into joining the Elliot project.
What is the Elliott tester? How do I know my project admin?
Jake
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The "Elliott tester" being the man of that name who tested Y-111. You can bring up his email address by clicking on his name on the matches page.
Did you join any projects when you ordered? I'm guessing you belong to the Barnard project. The admin is listed on the project page at https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/barnard-bernard/about/background
Here's Elliott: https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/elliott/about
Click the JOIN button on the upper right.
Haplogroup project admins are generally really up on all of this. They can be enormously helpful.
But there's another thing to consider. It could simply be that none of your brand of Barnards have tested. Enlisting the help of a 3rd or 4th cousin, etc. can be helpful.
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Awesome. All very helpful info. I don't think I joined the Barnard project when I ordered. Thanks again for your help.
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Good to hear. Keep us updated on your progress.
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I only just saw this, and you have some good advice above. I would also recommend joining a haplogroup project. You should have been assigned a predicted haplogroup with your Y test. If you share what that is, we can help you find the appropriate group. The YTree is very uneven due to the sizes of various branches being vastly different, and the amount of testing on different branches varies dramatically as well. So consulting with someone who is familiar with the specific branch you are on may well find you some good clues. Think of it like consulting a local genealogist before visiting a given state. They'll just know that much more about how their records are organized, where they are, when they started being kept, what has been lost, etc. The same goes for the Y haplogroups. They spend lots of time working on that branch and so they know a lot more about it that we from the outside will not know
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My predicted haplogroup is R-M269. Thanks.
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That is a pretty common group, unfortunately, but still the admins here may be able to offer some advice
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M269 is the most common haplogroup in Western Europe. I would look at your Y111 matches and write down their terminal SNPs. You *might* get an idea as to which of the M269 branches you *might* hang from. I'll tell you what, since you have only 7 matches, join the Cooley DNA group and I'll take a look.
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I have some more questions, but they would take a long time to type out. Would it be possible to talk on the phone sometime for about 10-15 min? This is my email address- jbarnard@atsu.edu. If we decided talk on the phone, then we could share phone numbers via email. Thanks again for your help.
Jake
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Hi Jake,
I'll send you an email a little later toady.
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Cool thanks
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