Stated French Protestant origin on 1711 headrites document of ancester John Cale disputed by library
I am Haplogroup A yDNA, no African history. Only a Cale first cousin match with many matches from the Bass surname. Basses preceded my family to VA/NC. Why the A Haplogroup, the Bass matches?
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The genetic genealogy group may be able to help with the A Haplogroup question. With some details about the dates and places someone in the United States group may come up with a few ideas.
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Since I last contacted, I have had earth-shaking information. It seems that the original Cales came to Portsmouth, VA in 1709, orphaned on a ship and went by land to NC. The lineage is a perfect match to my familiy. There were Germans from the Palatinate named Keele. It is easy to see how it was changed to Cale. Of the 7 orphans, William Keele, started my line. In summarizing the autosomal results, I am 52% German which fits. The French Protestant business think is a red herring. What I do not understand is the Haplgroup A. I seem to match with a Bass family in proximity in Bertie County, NC in the same time period. Coincidence--I don't think so (Both family share yDNA V-25) To me this means there has to be an interloper common to both familes. This is in an area of NC know for mix of races, the Pell Mell Pocosin, but you certainly won't hear anything about it. It would have been covered up in subsequent generations. Now, I am about evidence and finding the truth and could care a whit about the transgressions of the past or the mix of races. I am a retired physian by training and like to think the evidence matters. and would just like to explaing the puzzle. It is a fascinating one to me. Where did this African DNA come from? Is it a recent occurance or is it ancient for my family roots? If recent where did it happen? I have some suspicion that it may have happened around the turn of the 18th Century when a bastardy bond took a Charney Cale out of his household, a direct ancestor of mine, but the evidence is sketchy for that.
Help!
Bill Cale MD.
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You may want to reach out to someone like Roberta Estes (https://dna-explained.com/) for this question. It may need some specialized expertise. Good luck!
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Be sure to follow the advice from @PadgettChristopher . He is one of the great helpers in FamilySearch community.
Although your new information may be "earth-shaking", I think all new information is helpful. It should lead to better clarity. One piece of advice I can share is something that Anthony Camp taught. Whenever you find new information go back and review your old information. When you learn something new then all the old information will be viewed in a different light. You will see and recognize things that didn't register the last time you reviewed it. He specifically stated, "the best source for new information is your old information".
Because of the information you are working with I think you should add your question to the Genetic Genealogy Research Group.
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Have you checked this out? https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/haplogroup-a/about/background If you do not believe you have African ancestry then think about this idea. Thousands of years ago your male ancestor lived in Africa. He fathered a son. That son and EVERY single son since him fathered a son who are your direct ancestor.
You ddn't say but what does the ethnicity show? Ethnicity is not spot on but it should show any more recent African ancestry if this was a recent addition to your family. Otherwise as far as ethnicity goes that thousands of years ago ancestor and all sons since potentially only fathered sons from other ethnicities down to you. That still puts your haplogroup in Africa since there were no daughters in your direct line to that ancient African father.
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I assume you mean autosomal percentages. I get varying results depending on which company I use. I believe the one company showed a small per cent Sub Saharan African, but I can't find those results. At present I am struggling with the results of myHeritage and am not sure. There are two of us first cousins who have Haplogroup A V-25 and the curious thing is we match mostly with a different surname, the Bass family in yDNA matches. This family of Basses have a small number of their progeny who match strongly with my yDNA and lived in proximity in a small rural community in North Carolina. While it is hard to explain why the same unusual yDNA would appear across suname boundaries, it is hard to explain matches from any lineal descent evidence--non-existant so far! I will try to contact the company to get those results. I understand the genetics of yDNA and the patrinlineal decent. It is also my understanding that a small number of Engiish have Haplogroup A, among them the Attenboroughs. Only recently, that last 2 months, I have discovered that my Cale line originated in Germany which brings a further confound. I do not yet have a great depth of understanding of the Autosomal contribution and the matching of segments, but would like to learn more. That is a great clue that the percentage should be higher if the haplogroup had an recent rather than ancient origin. Thank you for that information. Bill Cale
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The name is Cale
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I did find the ethnicities and the answer was that I am 100% European with trace of West African which could be "noise." I think this is likely the answer I have been looking for. The yDNA is ancient.
Bill Cale
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Thanks for updating us on your progress!
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I expect that tiny bit may well be a good clue as to how long ago the ethicity besides African was introduced.
Keep in mind that the African was always the paternal no matter how far back it went since this is such an ancient haplogroup. A male from another haplogroup was never introduced or his would have been your haplogroup. The 100% was from the mother's lines never the father's. I was reading up on this and checked out the A-0 haplogroup project on Family Tree DNA. That haplogroup is really amazing. No doubt over time they will find more and more of your group but it boggles the mind to think a single male line goes straight back that far and have the the ethnicity change through mother's lines 100% . That straight ling so far back in time they had to make a 'beginning' haplogroup for those descendants.
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This boggles my mind as well. That I would have an ancient DNA that did not survive the major African diapsora blows my mind. I know some speculate that when the Mediterraniean was a series of lakes 12,000 years ago, it has been speculated that some Africans walked across to Europe at that time. I know some speculate that the Haplogroup A in the English has been postultated at times to have come from Roman Legionaires. Who knows? To think that my male line goes back to the Palatinate--how does that compute? It would be interesting to know the indicence of this Haplogroup A among Europeans.
What was confusing is that my family comes from an area of North Carolina where there was a mix of Black and White. I really thought that I had African-American heritage for a while. Perhaps not. I do have a cousin who does have documented Black heritage. This made me think that it was so. I tend not to think so for me with the latest revelation.
If you have any bright ideas, let me know.
Bill Cale
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I think there is no denying my African ancestry. It is just more ancient that I had thought. Frankly, I thought I had African American heritage, just like a dikstant cousin of mine has from the 1700's, but I tend to think the A V-25 is ancient because of the most recent evidence unless I am missing something. Bill Cale
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