You Family Search are EXCELLENT but I was wondering why you won't touch/search my 3rd Great grandfa
Luke Scott (L2M9-CM4) B:1760-1780 about in Ireland I think but not sure . Things I'm SURE ARE CORRECT. He was married to a Mary Baird 1801 in Killala Sligo/Mayo county and they had 6 children Matthew(LTD1-CS6), John,(L5RX-PW8) Robert,(LJ2M-2JJ) Ann,(LFZ7-5PL) Ellen(L2M9-ZZ7) (this child was a crippled one & that is how I got info on this family as she had to be looked after parents died and she went to live with brothers & sisters) the last child was Jane(2Z4Z-R8Z). . ALL the children were born in Ireland from 1801-1819 the family came over to Lachute Argenteuil County Quebec around 1820's . 1831 census has Luke & 10 members in the family in Lachute. Matthew ( LTD1-CS6) (son of Luke) from Curramore Ireland and his wife Jane Roe ( from Crossmolina )were married April 20th 1830 info from RCBL Dublin Ireland Parish Register Crossmolina Union Killala. and came over to Quebec shortly after. One tip I got from a relative was a big one Robert (son of Luke and Mary) married a Ann Carroll (LVNQ-9RK) turns out that the said Luke Scott was Ann Carroll's Mother Elinore Scott's (LVLL-HCX ) brother so my 2 GGgrandfather and Mother were 1st cousins. There is a link that these men were FREE MASON'S as my great uncle was into this group in a big way. If Family Search is so GOOD in finding out that my 14th Great Grandmother was Joan Beaufort QUEEN OF SCOTLAND 1407-1445 (M72D-PDF) then surerly they can find this Luke Scott . Not sure but there is rumor that they came from Scott country in Scotland and had a number of Lords and Lady's in there lineage. If you need more info my e-mail address is bowclue@xplornet.com
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@JudyStreet JudyStreet You pose an excellent question - and one that unfortunately a number of us have about "mystery people" in our own families. I would only offer a bit of a possible correction in understanding about FamilySearch, and then some suggestions.
First, almost all of the people you see here in the FamilySearch Community groups, are just "plain ol' individuals" like you and me. We're not FamilySearch employees, professional researchers (though a few might happen to be separately), or in any way otherwise associated with FamilySearch and the Family Tree they provide. And there is no formal research group within FamilySearch that does research for FamilySearch users. Sometimes people post questions asking for specific help on one aspect of their research, and some nice person might have some expertise or at least access to records that might help that person with the question, but when you see that, it's not a FamilySearch employee (except by sheer coincidence) - it's just a nice person willing to help where they can.
You seem to have already done a good amount of research on your 3rd great grandfather, and are hitting that reinforced concrete wall that we often face in genealogical/family history research. While occasionally people here might have the personal time to go do some research like that for others, many are already bogged down trying to search their own relatives, and often don't have sufficient time to answer more than a fairly simple question about which they might have some specific knowledge. So maybe someone here with sufficient research background may step forward and help, but it may also be that it might be time to contact a professional genealogical researcher for assistance. As a retiree on fixed income, I could certainly understand why that's not an option for many, or at least a very frequent option. But at times it may be the most practical where financially possible. You've certainly given a number of clues that could be helpful to a professional researcher.
Just please know that no one at FamilySearch is deliberately ignoring your 3rd great grandfather, any more than they're ignoring mine that I can't find anything on. That isn't the function of FamilySearch. FamilySearch is a marvelous organization that is provided freely to anyone for doing our own research. And more and more they are giving us better ways to collaborate with others in our research through the tools within FamilySearch. Perhaps contacting people that have made changes in your family lines through the FamilySearch direct messaging option might help. Those that have added birth dates or places, for example (as shown on the individual pages of our ancestors), might be great places to start. Just remember they're just FamilySearch users - like the rest of us. We just happen to see a handful of FamilySearch employees pop up here and there in the groups to help maintain them, and to help in other was as their time allows.
I hope this helps. And very best wishes in your obvious committed pursuit of who your family really is beyond just names, dates, and places.
--Chris
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Thanks Chris for such a prompt and wonderful reply. I'm so new at this chatting as I don't have all the (Facebook & the like0 modern stuff. Yes, I know that it isn't MY TREE that the concept of Family Search is a one tree the human race and all the players in it makes the TREE. The title of the grou stated "All temple & Family History Consultants so I thought through that wording that this group had more info than the Irish Group I stated in , It feels like there should be more persons researching this gentleman as he had 31 grandchildren in the first step after him . Look what came out of Adam & Eve........so as the LDS church has been complying this one tree since the late 1700's /early 1800's I had the thought there would be more people searching for this family. Yes, Family Search IS THE BEST, had Ancestry for 9 1/2 years and only got 1/8th of what I have gotten in 2 years with family search . I'd love to help people but not until I learn more about how to communicate on this medium. THANKS SO MUCH Chris I will download your wonderful reply for my reports......Judy
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@JudyStreet JudyStreet No problem, Judy. In fact, because of your post I just learned something. Out of all the different groups in the FamilySearch Community, I know that there is just a small handful of groups that are only open to specific people with specific responsibilities in the Church having to do with family history (we term those "temple and family history callings", and some are given different "calling" titles such as "temple and family history consultant.") I thought this was one of those closed groups, so I assumed you were a temple and family history consultant in the Church. I just checked and learned that I was wrong - this group can (like most groups) be joined by anyone. So your question helped me to stop making assumptions about this particular group's membership - thanks!
One other idea might be to see if perhaps there are surname-specific groups in one of the other family history sites, such as Ancestry.com, MyHeritage, or Find My Past. I'm not very familiar with MyHeritage or Find My Past because I don't really use them much, but I do know that at least one (and I'd hope both) are like Ancestry where you can search for surname groups and perhaps narrow your search to people more likely to also be researching your same line. If you are a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, the Church has negotiated some free access for Church members with each of those other three web sites. Your ward or branch temple and family history consultant should be able to help you establish such access. And once Family History Centers (FHCs) open back up after the COVID19 virus gets tired and hopefully goes away, anyone can also access those sites for free in a FHC whether they are a Latter-day Saint or not, at no cost. And I believe that many (most?) public libraries at least in the U.S. also have access to Ancestry.com and MyHeritage, also at no cost. Additionally, there are a number of other "Premium" web sites anyone can access while at a FHC at no cost. Those so-called premium sites might provide additional clues. (Let's hope the FHCs open back up soon!!!)
--Chris
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My wife's ancestors descend from the Clan McGregor. Story is that they had a particular code - Your cattle are my cattle now. King puts a bounty on the heads of anybody with that surname.
Look at all these new people who have "moved" into the country! I've never seen so many other surnames!
The lesson being... there are sometimes reasons for a name change, and some can be imposed by others, by one's family, by oneself (ie, leaving behind family to live another life), by marriage.. and these days, a different gender.
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Chris, are FHCs still closed church-wide? We have opened ours back up twice a week as the wards using the building have started activities again on weeknights. Have we jumped the gun?
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No, some are apparently open based on messages in this and other groups. It depends on what each area presidency has determined for their particular areas along with stake presidents. We currently have a rapidly increasing number of COVID-related deaths in our area, so we have not even entered phase 1 for Church meetings. I believe each area presidency has issues guidelines for their respective areas, and are carefully coordinating those guidelines with the respective stake and mission presidents. They're based on the COVID19 situation in each area (and smaller breakdowns such as stakes within an area).
With our specific FHC, our entire staff is over age 60, with most over age 70. We've determined that not only will our FHC not open as long as regular Church meetings are not taking place, but that we will likely wait a bit longer in order to properly safeguard our staff (some of whom have additional risk factors beyond just their age). This is consistent with guidance pertaining to older people attending regular Church meetings even after Sunday meetings begin to resume. As with other FHCs, our guidance will come from our own stake president, who in turn gets his from our area presidency.
-- Chris
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That's a good point Schmink, and I admit I hadn't even considered it, because I so rarely go into a FHC, even though we have a good sized one nearby. That, and I have nothing but youth as consultants (which has its OWN restrictions that are a bit frustrating - I can't meet as a single adult with any of them, and they can't meet with other single adults when consulting.)
I wonder if this wouldn't be an opportunity to perhaps state a need for younger family history folks in FHC's, but there's a limit due to the lack of retirement status for younger folks. They could also have screen sharing and microphone capabilities used in connecting volunteers away from the FHC, but that's something that could be done now from home (with the exception of access to special databases and images viewed only at FHC's).
I think there will probably need to be greater studies done on inside air recirculation for COVID related illnesses. One of those two floating petri dishes (er, cruise ships) that got infected early had detectable COVID-19 in the air conditioning ducts 19 days *AFTER* the passengers disembarked. And FHC's are not built for opening windows to allow fresh air through (for a myriad of reasons).
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If you could find out what Lodge they were associated with, it might help. Look for directories of Masonic memberships. Have you seen this on Ancestry?
"About Worldwide Masonic Directory, 1860
This database is based on the Universal Masonic Record and Directory published by Leon Hyneman in 1860. The directory contains the names of all Masons who submitted their information for publication. (my emphasis added)... This database represents Masons throughout North America, including Canada, the United States, and some Caribbean islands. It also includes a handful of Masons from outside North America (e.g., from England).
Those seeking more information about a specific individual may contact this database's compiler, Amy E. Armstrong, via e-mail at AmyeA@aol.com."
I did a quick search of the database but I don't know enough to get a hit and you may need older records than this covers.
Don't give up. You have done a ton of work on this. Have you tried court records from his last known residence area? I had a 3rd-greatgrandfather who just disappeared. It turns out he shot someone and ran. Someone finally found his obituary showing he was living with a distant relative about 60 miles from his family.
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Check this out, this will give you access to the FamilySearch researchers in Salt Lake City while the library is closed. You can schedule a 20 minute free consultation. See: https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Family_History_Library_Online_Consultations
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As others have said, FamilySearch does not do research for its users. All the people in the FamilySearch Family Tree have come from individual genealogists.
To trace Irish ancestors back to the 18th century is incredibly difficult. I've got a number of 19th century Irish ancestors, and only two known ancestors from the 18th century (name and death only, no birthplace or birthdate). I don't wish to be negative, but the chance of finding more details about Luke Scott are slim. If he was Catholic, the records were probably never kept due to persecution , if he was Anglican there's a good chance they were destroyed in the 1922 bombing of the Irish Archives. If he was Presbyterian, the records can be difficult to gain access to, and are generally not held by FamilySearch. If he was from County Mayo, then he was almost certainly Catholic.
According to John Grenham's website (subscription required after about 5 pageviews in a day: https://www.johngrenham.com/records/rc_church.php?county=Mayo&parish=Killala&churchid=751) No Catholic records from Killala survive before 1852. That is typical for much of County Mayo, one of the most remote and isolated parts of Ireland. It's possible that some pre-1852 records are held at the Catholic parish and have not been digitized or published, but the Irish Catholic church is known to be extremely reluctant to allow anyone to view these records or to preserve them properly.
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