Hi all, I'm researching the Welsh side of my family and am trying to learn more about my great great
ways including Rosanna, Rosanne, Rose Anne. Based on her marriage certificate (she was married in Liverpool) her father's name was Evan Isaacs and was a mail guard. Her husband was David Evans, who was born in 1819, in Llanfihangel Glyn Myfyr, Merionethshire, Wales. His father was a farmer named Thomas Evans. I haven't been able to find birth certificates or parish registers for the births of David Evans or Rose Hannah Isaacs. I found a baptism text-only document that is a potential possibility for David Evans. I would love to find more about their parents and find some records of their births. Not really sure how to research Welsh records except through Ancestry, and have looked a bit around Find My Past but haven't found anything. It would be great to find more about both of them but Rose Hannah Isaacs is the focus at the moment. Also not sure if this helps, but I believe her family line was Jewish.
Thank you for taking the time to read this. - Madison
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Can I ask why you think they were Jews?
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Civil registration didn't start in England and Wales until the third quarter of 1837 so you will not find a birth certificate.
For parish registers Find My Past has a better selection than Ancestry for this area, and of course FamilySearch has records.
I have no knowledge of researching Jewish ancestry in Wales and am not even sure if there is a Synagogue on Anglesey. Welsh ancestry often contains a lot of non conformist searching though so check those record sets too. You could also try searching the newspapers; The National Library of Wales offers a free newspaper search and there are titles in English
https://newspapers.library.wales/
Carole
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Rose Han Isaacs baptised 11 January, 1833 at Holyhead parents Evan and mother Jane. In the 1841 census living at Market Place, Corwen no trace of father. (Buried Anglesey 6.11.1836 aged 31 years).At address mother Jane 25 years, Roseanna and her brother Evan who was 4 years. 1851 census have found Rose Isaacs b. 1832 at Holyhead, she is a house servant at the Clergy Orphan School for Girls at St Marylebone, Middlesex. In in the 1861 census Rosina Isaacs a housemaid with the Leicester family in West Derby, Liverpool. I see she was married last quarter of 1865.
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Just put Wales in Findmypast search engine
The Parish Register record is available on Find my Past https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBPRS%2FB%2F910137825%2F1
Evan says born 1805 on his death 1836 also on findmypast
https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBPRS%2FD%2F919097036%2F1
Marriage to wife Jane Evans also findmypast https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBPRS%2FM%2F900010102%2F1
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Hi Elaine - After my grandmother passed away, I found a letter she had written to my father telling him that the Isaacs line was Jewish - there are a few anecdotes about family bibles that existed with jewish names that she wrote about as well but as far as I know they didn't survive.
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Hi Carole! Thank you very much for you suggestions and for your response. I actually was surprised a few months back I found a family notice in one the Welsh papers that referenced the death of Rose's father, Evan Isaacs. Although I believe I found it by searching newspapers through Find My Past. I've bookmarked this site as a direct source so thank you very much for sharing!
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Susan! I can't believe what you found in such a short period of time. Took me months!
I actually had forgotten that I had found the baptism form for Rose but you confirmed all the census forms I had found. If you're up for the challenge, I have no idea what happened to her mother Rose or her father David. When their daughter Margaret Evans was 5 years old, she is living with her Uncle John Evans back in Wales (even though her parents Rose and David were married in England and were living there). So Margaret must have gone back to Wales with her Uncle Since - Because there is no sign of her parents and she is living with her Uncle when she was 5, and she worked at an orphan school, I think it is likely that both of her parents passed early. But I remember suspecting that it was possible that maybe only Rose had died. Thank you again for sending all of this over!!0 -
Thank you so much Pamela!! Appreciate you taking the time to help me!
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Just a note to be wary of Patronymics [ the welsh naming system of taking the fathers first name ,which was in play hundreds of years ago but by the late 1700's all but had died out except for some very rural areas apparently]
My point is many records I know have been transcribed incorrectly because they have not been named after their fathers first name , as they use the surname when they marry , in Census ,Death when they have children and Wills .Below is an example .-
I was looking for a John Pugh b 1808 in Darowen, Montgomeryshire I could not initially find him but did find this one which is John Isaacs father Isaac Pugh in Darowen ,is that what I am looking for
https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=R_732660187
So looked just for a Pugh surname 1808 Darowen and there he was
https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBPRS%2FB%2F447130665%2F1
Both sets initially come from Family Search so they must of updated their record Transcriptions from previous years but unfortunately they did not remove the Old Wrong patronymic ones.
I have come across this many times and had a conversation with Hugh Wallis creator of the IGI Batch numbers via email years ago and it was agreed that transcription errors due to being misinformed as how to Transcribe Welsh records many many moons ago were possibly the problem .
Welsh naming patterns and patronymics go hand in hand in the right century but the word ap ab for a son or ferch verch for a girl must be in the record and so they will also be in the marriage and birth death record ,then that is correct names to use but if they do not have ap ab ferch verch , then use the surname as given in the record .
There is much information online in regards to Patronymics naming system .
So do be vigilant when you come across a Patronymic names ,do find the Original to confirm in conjunction with marriage and death records .
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