A woman meets a man and she gets pregnant and they never see each other again. Is it still protocol
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@marshagailjacobs1 marshagailjacobs1
I recommend you first go to the child's page and add it's parents as a couple.
Do you know how to select relationship types? If yes, do the following.
If no, you will need to be on the child's person page in the detail view. Scroll down to the relationships section. Look at the child's name in black under it's parents. To the right of the child's name you will see a small square with a pencil. Click on it. Here's the instructions link:https://www.familysearch.org/help/salesforce/viewArticle?urlname=Adding-Changing-and-Deleting-Relationship-Types-between-Parents-and-Children&lang=en
Second, create the relationship between the child and each parent by selecting biological.
Third, then you can go into either of the parents, and select relationship type as other and describe they were never married.
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There is only ONE Couple Relationship type. There is no "type" of other within a couple relationship. There are only events that may have occurred for that relationship such as a Marriage event, Divorce event, remarriage event, annulment event, common law event, etc.
Personally, since there was never any kind of formal committed family oriented relationship between the man and woman, I wouldn't document them as though there were one. In this case, by creating a couple relationship in the database when one never occurred, you are saying one thing but meaning another.
It's up to you, but if you want to show the "couple" that were never a "couple" as a "couple" in the database, you'll need to add a note or a fact to the Couple Relationship describing why the couple relationship that your a re showing there really didn't exist.
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Others have provided great feedback. But . . back to your original question - where are you seeing the terms "husband and wife"?
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@marshagailjacobs1 marshagailjacobs1
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Marsha
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Furthermore ...
To what has already been proffered ...
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Is it still protocol to list them as husband and wife with the name of their child? = 'Yes'
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But, NOT as a Husband and Wife; simply, as a "Couple", WITHOUT a "Couple Relationship"/"Relationship Event".
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After all, they are a "Couple", for all intensive purposes; as, the Parents of that Child.
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How do I make a note that they are not married to demonstrate the lack of documentation? = Leave the "Relationship Event" as "Blank"
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And, ADD "Notes" - everywhere you can (eg. "Like Sketch"; "Other Information"; "Collaborate" - Notes" and "Discussions"; "Couple Relationship" - "Relationship Notes", etc).
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You can leave the "Relationship Event" as "Blank" (ie. if it was NOT a, 'Marriage'; or, 'Common Law Marriage'; or, 'Lived Together').
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You DO NOT necessarily, need; or, have to, have a "Relationship Event" (ie. for a 'One-Night-Stand').
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But, what you ALSO should DO, for BOTH Parents, is in the "Other Information" Section, under "Facts", select that "No Couple Relationship"; and, add a "Reason Statement" as to why the "Reason This Information Is Correct" (ie. why such applies) - they were NEVER Married, NOR Lived Together - it was just a brief 'Affair'.
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Plus, what you ALSO should DO, for the Child, is also ADD "Notes" - everywhere you can (eg. "Like Sketch"; "Other Information"; "Collaborate" - Notes" and "Discussions"; "Parent-Child Relationship" - "Relationship Notes", etc) - to the effect that his Parents were NEVER Married, NOR Lived Together - it was just a brief 'Affair'.
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Just my thoughts ...
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Here are a couple of "Knowledge Articles" in 'FamilySearch':
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How do I indicate that a person in Family Tree had no children or was never in a relationship?
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How do I add notes to a person in Family Tree?
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I hope this helps.
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Brett
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I didn’t see “other” so I might be doing something in error. Can you seen a pic plz? I created the biological connection. Ty!
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In the Family Members section whee it says Spouses and Children.
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Thank you sooo much! I added the information in facts! I do appreciate all the advice from everyone!
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Thank you for your guidance. I was provided an article on FS on how to accurately record the data. Ty again!!
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Ok, I am still unsure about some of this...
Why would you "add a Spouse" when the people were never even dating? Does a One Night Stand, Affair, or **** count as being a "Couple"?
I am trying to figure out how to deal with this in a situation where there was either an Affair or ****. The child's birth certificate states the women's husband as the father and the child has his last name. But through DNA testing there is belief that a different man who lived with the family was the biological father.
I created a mother for the child and added a father for the child, but not where you could put any type of relationship for the mother and father. So, the parents show up in 2 separate boxes.
Then someone merged the child with a duplicate and somehow the biological parents are now in the same box. In the space for marriage info, it says "add couple relationship". In the mobile app however, they are shown as Spouses
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VirginiaC,
All the issues around couple relationships are still not handled real well by the tool and terminology is quite inconsistent. But that being said:
“Why would you "add a Spouse" when the people were never even dating?”
“Does a One Night Stand, Affair, or **** count as being a Couple?”
In both cases, the answer is a definite “No”. If there was no Couple Relationship involving any type of long term commitment, then there obviously should NOT be a couple relationship created and displayed in the tool.
“I created a mother for the child and added a father for the child, but not where you could put any type of relationship for the mother and father. So, the parents show up in 2 separate boxes.”
That is exactly correct. In fact, from the child's detail page's Family Information area, the mother should probably only show up in the couple relationship box with her husband and not the biological father. The DNA based biological father would show up in a box by himself and that parent child relationship documented as being based on the DNA information that you would provide. You could reference it in either a source and/or a note.
However, you would ALSO need to go in and and alter the Parent-Child Relationship between the child and the woman’s husband to be non-biological. Unfortunately the only suitable ones might be “Guardianship” or “Adoptive”, both of which implies formalities. But in either case, the same DNA related notes and/or sources should again be added to that child’s record and relationship.
“Then someone merged the child with a duplicate and somehow the biological parents are now in the same box”
Yea, there was no couple relationship so they should not be in the same box. Also trying to remove that relationship in FS is problematic and very unintuitive. You need to play around a bit so that you don’t end up with the wife and her husband in one box, the wife in another, and then the biological father in yet a third box. The wife in the box by herself is only an artifact of the current view so that she could be shown as the biological mother relative to the biological father. But since there was no couple relationship there, it becomes redundant to the box with her and her husband since she is shown there as being the biological mother of the child there as well.
The main take-away here is that just because a man and a woman are biological parents to the same child, it does NOT mean that they were ever a "Couple" as far as spousal support and child rearing goes. In this database, these relationships are intended to show the construct of families. In this case, that biological father, biological mother, and their common child were never a "family".
Hope this gives you some ideas.
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Children born out of wedlock are perhaps more common today than historically. It would be helpful to be able to display both family lineages in a single tree for a child whose DNA/birth parents never married, so no spouse relationship but a shared child.
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Janet5490 I'm not sure out of wedlock births are more common today. In times past, there were almost no repercussions when young men "had their way" with teenaged girls and it was usually a deep family secret. The girls were the ones who had to suffer the consequences and when properly managed by loving family, the foundling child was carefully disposed of in an orphanage or other such institution, or carefully inserted into the home of a married relative so as to appear as their birth child. I know for sure of one such case in my family history where the "adoptive" mother was the only one in the family who knew the child's birth mom and took it to her grave, but my DNA matches are implying this occurred in several other places.
For modern times, I do not know what the issue is about how to document in FamilySearch. I have adopted relatives. Not one of them has birth parents who married each other. The birth parents married other people (if they married) and yes, all adopted relatives have made contact with birth families. For the relatives that want me to document birth family history, I have given them 3 sets of parents: adoptive parents, birth mom and her spouse(s), and birth dad and his spouse(s). All marriages that happened are documented, all relationships are clearly identified.
??? What am I missing? It is absolutely not protocol to make up "truth". Omit, maybe, but do not indicate untruth in FamilySearch.
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The commonly suggested thing to do in circumstances like this is to add the child separately to both parents - i.e., do not show them as a couple at all.
To do this, below each parent's name click on "ADD CHILD WITH AN UNKNOWN MOTHER /FATHER". Okay, this is not strictly true, because you do know the father - only that he appears not to have had any meaningful relationship with either mother or child. Regardless, this action will keep the parents separated on the tree, whilst ensuring the child is shown below its respective, biological parents.
As Gail suggests, if the mother later marries another man the child can be added under this relationship, too - with the father shown in a "Step" relationship, if it appears he took some responsibility in the child's upbringing.
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Illegitimate [out of wedlock] children
- You can link them to the biological parents individually, or as a couple.
- Do not add any marriage information for the couple. Put relevant information in a note or in a Life Sketch.
- Currently, Family Tree provides five relationship types between parents and children: Adopted, Biological, Guardianship, Foster, and Step. The system assumes a biological relationship. You can specify a different relationship type for multiple sets of parents.
After you delete the couple relationship, Family Tree still shows that the child is biologically related to each parent.
If you link a child to both parents, the system assumes the parents were married. If a couple had a child together but never married, you can delete the parents' couple relationship.
Steps (website)
- While signed in to FamilySearch.org, navigate to the person page of the individual or spouse.
- If you do not see Vitals near the top of the page, click Details.
- Scroll to the Family Members section.
- Click the pencil icon to the right of No Marriage Event.
- Click Delete Relationship.
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