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G Haux
G Haux ✭✭
October 27 in Social Groups

Nils Andersson, age 34 & 37 and his wife Kirstin Larsdotter, age 28 & 31 depending on which year they took the census. I am trying to figure out where they moved to. It looks like Pakabola but since I can't find anything like that I know I am reading it wrong. Please help me track them from here.

https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0046156_00090

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  • suzi waag smith
    suzi waag smith ✭
    October 27

    In which parish, and county is this record found?

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  • G Haux
    G Haux ✭✭
    October 27

    Ånimskog, Älvsborg

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  • David2,666
    David2,666 ✭✭✭
    October 27 edited October 27

    I can't read what's on that page but, what I could find is that two children is born in the village of Lågan:
    Maria, 1764-02-13 and Stina, 1766-06-06 the next child Anders is born in Västra Bräcke 1769-11-04 so, with that information we can check Ånimskog Al:6, the problem here is that Västra Bräcke is on page 11, there is no page 11 in this book

    Edit, in the beginning of Al:6 it says that Västra Bräcke is missing
    Edit 2: they can be found in Västra Bräcke in Al:7 page 10
    Edit 3: Nils Andersson and Kierstin Larsdotter wasn't married until 1768-10-23

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  • G Haux
    G Haux ✭✭
    October 27

    @David2,666 All that you have found is true but here is where I am trying to figure things out.

    I have been tracking a Nils Andersson, born 1738. His father is Anders Nilsson and his mother is Marit Hansdotter. When Marit dies Anders marries Kierstin Halfwardsdotter. After Anders Nilsson dies Nils Andersson continues to live with Kierstin until her marriage to Anders Månsson. On that record Nils Andersson is age 27 in 1766. Shown on this record and living in Västra Bräcke.

    https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0046156_00023

    On the record in Lågan Nils Andersson is listed as age 37 in 1766 and living there about 1763-1765.

    On the record in Västra Bräcke it looks like he was living there 1764-1766.

    It appears that these two records are in conflict with each other. They cover the same time period but he can not live in two places at the same time and then there is the age difference. That could easily be an error as I have seen several times with this family. Which is why I am trying to find out where they moved to so I can see if I can resolve the conflict.

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  • David2,666
    David2,666 ✭✭✭
    October 27

    One possible explanation could be seen in Nils wedding record. Not sure how it fits together but their two first children are born out of wedlock. I have not found any evidence of another Nils Andersson

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  • G Haux
    G Haux ✭✭
    October 27

    @David2,666 Where do you see that Maria and Stina are born out of wedlock on their birth records? I see that both of them say Nils Andersson and his wife Kierstin Larsdotter.

    They would only be born out of the wedlock if this is the same Nils Andersson that got married in 1768.

    I am not seeing another Nils Andersson and Kierstin Larsdotter either but there are still questions I have before I am ready to believe they are same person.

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  • Norm Baker
    Norm Baker ✭✭✭✭
    October 27

    @G Haux It looks to me like the place they are going to is Bäckebol in Gunnarsnäs in 1767.

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  • David2,666
    David2,666 ✭✭✭
    October 27

    If Nils and Kierstin was married 1768 Maria and Stina must be born out of wedlock. When I checked the wedding record i started at 1764 and didn't get a match until 1768. I think that Nils lived in Västra Bräcke the whole time and Kierstin was in Långan. Kierstin moved to Nils when they got married. I higly doubt that they lived together before that. It's a decent theory anyway.

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  • G Haux
    G Haux ✭✭
    October 27 edited October 27

    @Norm Baker Will you please go look at my original record again? There is a note next to Kierstin Larsdotter's name. Does it say that she moved in from Tösse?

    Also one of possibilities of who Kierstin is, is shown on this record but they move and I do not know where they move to. Do you know what it says? They are the first family on the page

    https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0046154_00024

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  • Norm Baker
    Norm Baker ✭✭✭✭
    October 28 edited October 28

    I would say it is definitely Hanebol in Tösse. Looking the Tösse Household examination record register of places, it looks like they spell Tösse as Tössö, which is what your original record appears to be. See here: https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0046094_00029#?xywh=-46%2C2643%2C1565%2C732&cv=28 .

    As concerning the family you have asked about on the other page, it looks like the father is B[onde] Lars Helf…ss[on] (Halfwardsson?) 27 years old. His wife looks to be Kierstin Bryng[elsdotter?] 28 years old. The next name is Widow Lisbet Bryng[elsdotter?] The children are all daughters: Karin 3 years old, Kierstin 2 years old and Lisbet 1/4 year old. I am assuming that the numbers just before the fold of the book are ages. It looks like the family moves somewhere in 1749 but I can't tell where it is. It begins with "T" perhaps followed by "i" but that is all I can see.

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  • G Haux
    G Haux ✭✭
    October 28

    @Norm Baker I looked in the clerical record for Kierstin Larsdotter 1747 and I didn't see her but it is two years before she would have moved so she could be on another page in 1761. The marriage book doesn't start until 1765. It makes it hard to clear things up when there are gaps. It is still amazing that I can look at records this early.

    I am not sure where to go from here.

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  • Norm Baker
    Norm Baker ✭✭✭✭
    October 29 edited October 29

    @G Haux I have found where Lars Halfwardsson moved to through the Mantals records. The 1751 Mantall for Ånimskog indicates that he has moved to Ankjöhlserud (Ankölserud) in Tisselskog parish. I thought that the move-to place looked like "Ti…". The Mantal record is here: https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/A0003429_00268#?cv=267&xywh=484%2C2778%2C2568%2C1228 .

    There aren't any Household Examination records in Tisselskog parish, so I had to use ArkivDigital's index search for deaths (hoping that perhaps he stayed in Tisselskog until his death). Turns out the he did die there. His death record says that he died 27 May 1777 and he was 57 years old (making his birth in 1720ish). That death record is here (still living at "Ankjörsserud"-Spelling is a little different, but it must be the same place): https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0046069_00129#?xywh=2968%2C3288%2C2830%2C1354&cv=128 .

    I didn't have time today (I am at the FamilySearch Library in Salt Lake City all day on Tuesdays and Wednesdays and was busy with guests all day) but it might pay to look at all the Mantals records for Tisselskog between 1751 and 1777 to see if more is mentioned about family members.

    Also, since we know when and where he died, it may be possible to locate a probate which could possibly give names of children and their spouses! If I have time tomorrow, I will look into it.

    Meanwhile you could use this link to begin looking at the Mantals records if you are able: https://sok.riksarkivet.se/mantalslangder/?Lan=0&Forsamling=tisselskog&Harad=&DatumFran=&DatumTill= . Just click on year you want to look at and the link will take you to the page in the book where Tisselskog is. Then locate the farm, Ankiölserud (or some slight variation on the spelling). He is on page 480 in the 1751 book. In the "remarks" column, it says he came from the place where the man above is going to: Annolfsbyn in Ånimskog parish-it is like they traded places!

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  • G Haux
    G Haux ✭✭
    October 29 edited October 29

    @Norm Baker Thank you so much! Also thank you for your service at the FamilySearch Library! That is where I got help to begin my Family History journey. I am so thankful for that!

    What I think I have here is two families with the same names. Nils Andersson and Kierstin Larsdotter who are the parents of Maria and Stina but move out of the parish about 1767. I am still trying to figure out where they move to.

    Nils Andersson and Kierstin Larsdotter who get married in 1768 and whose first child is Anders.

    I went back to the marriage record in 1768 and found that Nils Andersson was living at Bräcke Västra and Kiestin Larsdotter was living at Salebol. Unfortunately book Ai:6 is missing pages so neither of them show up in that book but are shown in the next book.

    https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0046158_00022

    It seems like Lars Halfwardsson and Kierstin Bryngalsdotter are the parents of Kierstin Larsdotter who gets married in 1768.

    I will start look for other record that you suggested.

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  • G Haux
    G Haux ✭✭
    October 29

    @Norm Baker

    I believe this is the probate record for Lars Halfwardsson. Two of the daughters found on the clerical record in Ånimskog are listed: Kierstin and Lisken. Kierstin is listed as married to Nils Andersson of Bräcke. I am really good at picking out names and certain words but mostly I have no idea what all is being said here.

    https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0101544_00258

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  • G Haux
    G Haux ✭✭
    October 29

    @Norm Baker I believe this is Lars Halfwardsson in Tisselskog Mantals

    1751

    https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/A0003429_00252

    1752

    https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/A0003430_00242

    In this time period would the women show up on the Mantals when they come of age to be taxed? I don't have time right now to keep following the records here but I can do that tonight or tomorrow. Hopefully I am on the correct track.

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  • Norm Baker
    Norm Baker ✭✭✭✭
    October 30

    @G Haux Do a screen shot of the Probate and drop it into the community and ask for a translation. Ulrich Neitzel is able to translate the document really well. I can do it (with a lot of effort!), but I don't actually speak Swedish so I don't get everything that is in the document.

    I read a while ago that all names were supposed to be recorded in the Mantals but only the people between about 15 and about 65 were subject to the tax. In practice, however, most Mantals only have a few people actually mentioned by name and I think that was kind of at the discretion of who ever was actually making the record. I have come across Mantals that recorded the names of children, males and females, but even those didn't usually record the wife's name!

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  • G Haux
    G Haux ✭✭
    October 31

    @Norm Baker I will do that.

    In the 1700's I have found it rare that women are named but I will go through the Mantals and see what I can find.

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  • G Haux
    G Haux ✭✭
    October 31

    @Ulrich Neitzel Are you available to help me figure these out?

    I am trying to discover if these are the same people I have later on in this parish. I don't think they are but I am trying to follow them to make sure.

    Nils Andersson, age 34 & 37 and his wife Kirstin Larsdotter, age 28 & 31 depending on which year they took the census. I am trying to figure out where they moved to. It looks like …bola but I am struggling to find them. Please help me track them from here.

    https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0046156_00090

    This seems to be the father of the correct Kirstin Larsdotter. I am trying all the paths to figure this out. Norm Baker found a connection in the mantals.

    I believe this is the probate record for Lars Halfwardsson. Two of the daughters found on the clerical record in Ånimskog are listed: Kierstin and Lisken. Kierstin is listed as married to Nils Andersson of Bräcke. Will you help transcribe and translate this?

    https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0101544_00258

    I think this is the family before they move out of Ånimskog. They are the first family on the page.

    https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0046154_00024

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  • Ulrich Neitzel
    Ulrich Neitzel ✭✭✭✭✭
    October 31

    @G Haux

    I don't have the time to go through all the records right now, but here is the transcription and translation of the probate record:

    Transcription:

    Åhr 1777 den 26te September instälte sey undertecknade uti hemmanet Olekjölsund at uppå wederbörandes anmodan förrätta Laga upteckning uppå al efter afl.ne dannemannen Lars Halfvardsson befintelig fast ock lös Egendom, hwilken efter å stunden kommer at fördelas emellan dess efterlämnade hustru Kjerstin Bryngelsdoter samt hennes med mannen samman aflade barn Sonen Arne ock dotern Kierstin gjenom dess mans Nils Andersson i Bräcke myndiga, samt Karin, Lisken, Bryngel, Jöns, Anders ock Caisa, å hwilkas wägnar såsom omyndiga nämndemannen Bryngel Jonsson deras rätt bewaktar, ock företogs efter tjanlig wahrning om lågendomens Laga upgift, förrättningen på sådant sätt som härefter förmäles

    Translation:

    On September 26, 1777, at the request of the parties concerned, the undersigned appeared at the Olekjölsund farmstead to take an inventory of all the real and personal property belonging to the late Lars Halfvardsson. This property will now be distributed among his surviving wife, Kjerstin Bryngelsdotter, and her children with her late husband, including the adult son, Arne, and the daughter, Kierstin. Kierstin is represented by her husband, Nils Andersson, of Bräcke. The other children are Karin, Lisken, Bryngel, Jöns, Anders, and Caisa. The lay judge, Bryngel Jonsson, safeguards their rights as minors. After due warning of the legal requirements of the estate, the proceedings were conducted as described below.

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  • Ulrich Neitzel
    Ulrich Neitzel ✭✭✭✭✭
    October 31

    @G Haux

    I agree with @Norm Baker that the place Nils and Kirstin moved to is "Bäckebol i Gunnarsnäs". Unfortunately, household examination records for the Gunnarsnäs parish start in 1778 first.

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  • G Haux
    G Haux ✭✭
    October 31

    @Ulrich Neitzel Thank you so much for helping!!!

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  • G Haux
    G Haux ✭✭
    October 31

    @Norm Baker Ok. I am working through the Mantals in Ånimksog and Gunnarsnäs 1765- 1770 working on Nils Andersson. I do not think it clarifies anything. Please look and see if you think I am on the right track.

    Ånimskog

    1765

    https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/A0003443_00339

    1766

    https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/A0003445_00336

    Gunnarsnäs

    1767

    https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/A0003446_00224

    1768

    https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/A0003447_00219

    1769

    https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/A0003448_00228

    I do not see in him in 1770

    https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/A0003449_00238

    I tried look in the birth book but that is a struggle to read.

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