Help with Latin in 1755 Marriage Record - where did it take place?
Hello - I am hoping for help with a couple of things in the 12 Dec 1755 marriage record of Michael Emmerich and Catherina Ochs. The record was found in the Neckarsulm, Baden-Württemberg Church records on matricula.com.
- In the first line are the Latin words "petita licentia Höchstberg matrimonium". I believe this means that the marriage was allowed to take place in Höchstberg, which is a small village north of Neckarsulm. Is this the correct interpretation ? I have not found church records for Höchtsberg so cannot confirm.
- What are the words after "Michael Emmerich civitatis hujatis" (citizen of this place) - looks like "?? Consul". His death record notes that he was a "Senator hujas" so I assume the words in his marriage record are synonyms of Senator?
- The last few lines of the record seem to be the names of the witnesses and priest who performed the ceremony.
Many thanks
E
See left side, second entry
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Transcription:
Die 12ma May petita licentia Höchsberga matrimonium Contraxit Honestus Viduus Michael Emmerich Civitatis hujatis Sub-Consul, cum pudica Virgine Maria Catharina, Honesti Augustini Ochs Civis Ödheimensis, et Margaretha Conjugum filia legitima; praesentibus Testibus Honesto Michaele Rich Cive Ödheimense, et Augustino Ochs Patre Sponsae: benedicente Matrimonium P. R.D. Jac Georgio Volck, T.O.A. et Parocho ibidem.
Translation:
On May 12, after a license was requested, the marriage of the honorable widower Michael Emmerich, subcouncillor of the local community, and the chaste virgin Maria Catharina, legitimate daughter of the honorable August Ochs, citizen of Ödheim, and his wife Margaretha, was contracted at Höchs[t]berg. The witnesses present were the honorable Michael Rich, citizen of Ödheim, and August Ochs, the bride's father. The marriage was blessed by Reverend Jac[ob] Georg Volck, T.O.A., the parish priest of this place.
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Thank you Ulrich. Am I correct that the church in Höchstberg would have also recorded this marriage? Or if Höchtsberg is in the parish of Neckarsulm, would the marriage have been recorded only in this record?
E
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Höchstberg had its own Catholic parish, the records are here. However, no marriage was recorded for 1755:https://data.matricula-online.eu/en/deutschland/rottenburg-stuttgart/hoechstberg/M+0392%252C+B+001/?pg=15
Actually, it is not entirely clear to me why Höchstberg is mentioned in the record. Obviously the bride was from Ödheim. This is where the wedding would have usually taken place. The bridegroom appears to be residing in Neckarsulm, since he is a subcouncillor there. The phrase 'petita licentia Höchsberga' may also mean that a license was requested from Höchstberg, but why?
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This is indeed a mystery. I will search the church records for these towns to see if I can find more information. I appreciate your help.
E
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Hello E,
I have been following your discussion with Ulrich about this record and I'm wondering if you have been able to determine why Höchtsberg is named in the record?
Best regards, Robert Seal_1
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Hello Robert - I have not been able to find any more information about why Höchstberg is named in the record. : (
I looked in Oedheim records for Catherina's birth record, and tho I found many other children by Catherine's parents, I did not find her. A daughter named Susanna was born about when I expected to find Catherine. And I didn't find any mention of her marriage to Michael Emmerich in 1755.
I also looked in Höchtsberg and Neckarsulm records and did not find her (I thought maybe she had been born while her mother was visiting family). Mysteriously, as Ulrich noted, there were no marriages recorded in Höchtsberg in 1755. Maybe the H. church was being renovated and all marriages were conducted in Neckarsulm? But still the question, why wasn't the marriage in Oedheim, which was presumably the bride's home parish,…
The Neckarsulm Familenregister for her and Michael Emmerich's family gives no clues. https://data.matricula-online.eu/en/deutschland/rottenburg-stuttgart/neckarsulm/M+0325%252C+B+031/?pg=278
I'm not sure where else to look. Do you have any suggestions?
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E
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Hello E,
Quite a mystery indeed! I unfortunately do not have any further suggestions as you searched all the right places already.
Did you notice in the Family Register that Maria Catharina Ochs' 1755 marriage to Michael Emmerich is listed as having taken place in Höchtsberg, and then it appears someone added a question mark later?
Best regards, Robert Seal_1
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Hello Robert, Oh, yes, I see that now! So it looks like others before me have been puzzled, too. Interesting….
I really appreciate your input : )
E
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Hello E,
Have you seen this birth/baptismal record in Oedheim for Anna Catharina Ochs:
It's the sixth record on the right-hand page. The birth/baptism occurred on 11 April 1726 which would be reasonably close to her calculated birth year of 1725 based on her age at death of 62 years in December 1787. Father is correct though the mother is named Apolonia rather than Margaretha. Perhaps the priest wrote "Anna Catharina" incorrectly instead of "Maria Catharina" in this birth/baptismal record. Or conversely, perhaps the priest wrote "Maria Catharina" instead of "Anna Catharina" in the 1755 marriage record.
If you have access to Ancestry here is a link to a family tree which links this Anna Catharina Ochs to Johann Michael Emerich via a marriage in Neckarsulm in 1755:
https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/199951362/person/242604089204/facts
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Robert - how did I miss that? Thank you for sharing this link! It takes a village….
Yes, I have access to Ancestry and will look at this tree, too.
You are the best : )
E
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You're welcome, E. Sometimes it takes a fresh pair of eyes. :)
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