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Hello , my name is Mark Bauernfeind. My ancestry includes Van Rossum/Vander Wijst 2x great grandparents, and Horkmans/Nooyen 2x great grandparents, so this group seems to be a good place to maybe learn more about these families and their origins.
I just recently discovered the marriage record of Albert Van Rossum, in Cleveland OH. It is pretty clear what the short record contains, but I have attached it here to request transcription/translation to confirm. The digital file is all that I received in response to my request, so I hope it is clear enough to decipher. Thank you very much in advance for your help with this.
Since this is my first contact with this group, I'm not sure how many things I can address in a single post, but if there is anyone who could assist me in learning where to begin looking for clues that might lead me to the origins of Albert Bernard, it would be greatly appreciated. The only thing I know so far is that one of his grand daughters wrote that he was "born July 27, 1827 in West Prussia of Holland parents ". I think this might put his birthplace in what is now Poland, but searching that name in that part of the world at the time of his birth is daunting, to say the least.
Please advise if anything in this post is unacceptable. I will do my best to follow group guidelines going forward. Thank you.
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Hi Mark,
Maybe I'm incorrect, but I don't see the attachment. Can you point me into the direction of your ancestors van Rossem / van der Wijst? By pasting the FS id here?
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Sorry, I didn't complete the attachment function properly. Here it is. I hope.
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FS ID for Albert Bernard Van Rossum is GQZS-DKN. FS ID for Mary Vander Wyst is LRYP-MMB.
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The name is not Albert Bernard , but "Engelbertus" Van Rossum , and the wife is ''Marie Van Der West'
document only has one sentence.
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Also,i think some of your conclusions are a derivative from this document ,like say year of birth, 1827 is age of father in 1870 censussnap; additionally, his name is written here as Venrosen Albert.Venrosen is not an existing name in Holland or Belgium. So , Basically the void here is the birthcertificate. Remarkable, country of origin is listed as Holland,..parents could be of another foreign decent.Also, as Belgium only became independent from Holland after 1830-1839 he could be located in what are now Belgian archives.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-694S-T5P?view=index&personArk=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AMN91-D51&action=view&cc=1438024&lang=en&groupId=M9CF-5C6
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Thank you for your help. I actually derived Albert Van Rossum's information from what was created and handed down by Albert's grand daughter Mary Louise Van Rossum Riedel, a grand aunt of mine. Please see attached.
The 1860 Census for Kaukauna WI lists him as Prussian born.
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Went to sources on the page you mentioned,and observed Holland in the first census, and Prussia(wife Holland) second snap,…as well as the names changing wit each and every scribe-event.I have Different family names spelling in my own family within 1 generation!.Seems to be so that almost all info is American based,long after emigration.Ever considered that there are basically 2 main pathways to start your query? Immigration via other then Ellis Island (check first for entry,manifest,boat, port of entry, port of departure…)…..earlier on many states on themselves regulated entry, or entry was allowed via Canada or great lakes border regions.Aside of this, he could have naturalisation records, military records,(even in Holland, not related to ww1 or ww2) …etc , etc.
Maintaining the spellingform Van Rossum or Van Rossem or Vanrossum/Vanrossem,would make him either Dutch or Flemish , or when 'van '(from) is set in German spelling it would make 'Von' hence the 'mercan interpretation 'Von Rosen or Von Rozen'I did not find him in either spelling in the Flemish archives nor in the Dutch.But the name is existing , used and i found equals.
Toughts? (Margreet/gjt) ?
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