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ChristineMary1
ChristineMary1 ✭
August 7 in Social Groups
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I have several ancestors that have a notation like the above on their baptismal record. Normally if someone has passed away, there would be a cross and/or the word Meghalt (death) followed by the date. I know that the date is 20 November 1928 but I cannot find an answer to what the abbreviations stand for. Any help would be greatly appreciated. All are very difficult to read as above, I checked both the Hungarian and Slovak geneaology word lists with no answers.

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  • Romi Krc
    Romi Krc ✭✭
    August 9

    This handwriting is Cyrillic. I showed it to my husband who studied modern Russian. He is not sure what some of the letters are. The first word starts with a capital "Beh" equivalent to our "B".

    I looked through the Russian and Ukrainian genealogical word lists on FamilySearch. I don't see an obvious fit for the first or third abbreviated word.

    https://www.familysearch.org/en/wiki/Russian_Genealogical_Word_List

    https://www.familysearch.org/en/wiki/Ukrainian_Genealogical_Word_List

    A hypothesis that I have is that the first abbreviated word may be Br. (meaning brother, title of a monk or priest) and the rest of it could be his name. The second word could be an initial for a given name and the third abbreviated word would then be a patronymic or surname.

    Can you share other examples?

    Also do the dates given generally correspond to death dates? This may be a burial date with a notation from the pastor who recorded it.

    Meghalt is Hungarian.

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  • ChristineMary1
    ChristineMary1 ✭
    August 21
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    The first box is from the same set of records indicating death date; the next two have the same abbreviations that I'm having a difficult time diciphering. The handwriting is very difficult to read! - Christine

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  • Romi Krc
    Romi Krc ✭✭
    August 23 edited August 25

    First box - if I'm following you, you've concluded that is a death date because of "meghalt". Probably August 23, 1892. That's in Hungarian.

    The other two boxes are in Cyrillic. I would recommend that you explore Carpatho-Rusyn and Ukrainian sources of assistance.

    The second box may begin with two abbreviated words. One that looks like it starts with T but it's probably not. That might be "Br." again. The one that looks like bb (but won't sound anything like that) may be an abbreviation. The third word likely begins with a "z" (possible connection to the Slovak past tense for "to die" - zomrel - but I can't tell any interior letters). The person's handwriting bobbles on this word so it's hard to make out the interior letters. Then whatever the bb looking word is, repeats. Then you have the date of 1915/2/6.

    Next line starts with a a tiny word or symbol. Then there is a possibility of a form of Anna. The first letters look like Ann- to me. Cyrillic lower case "n" sound looks like an "h" in English. There are letters after that, that might be -sso, but Annsso doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I think I can read the last word. It looks like Perevuznik. Based on Google, that is a valid Russian last name and there are people with that name in the U.S (some on Ancestry). That person might be a witness, family member, godparent, midwife or a church officiant depending on what the body of the record is about. If female, that cuts down the possible roles a bit.

    I think to make more progress, someone would have to examine the entire record book in context. And ideally that person would be familiar with Cyrillic handwriting and old genealogical abbreviations. To understand the handwriting, the possible names of officiants, etc.

    I would also recommend, as you go deeper into these records, that you figure out if any Carpatho-Rusyn experts can help you. (Assuming that ethnicity applies. For the novice it can be difficult to discern whether people were Rusyn or Ukrainian and today's geographic situation may not be relevant at all to pre-WW2 emigrants.)

    There is a genealogical society for Carpatho-Rusyns in the US. https://c-rs.org/ . The Czechoslovak Genealogical Society International also covers Carpatho-Rusyn heritage and may be of interest if you have relatives on the Slovak side. https://cgsi.org/

    There are many Facebook genealogy groups, but I am not a Facebook user, so haven't taken advantage. I understand, though, that those are good places to find active users who can help with questions.

    Let's see if anyone else will come along who has the key to your mystery. In the meantime, maybe post the page links to the larger books.

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  • ChristineMary1
    ChristineMary1 ✭
    October 21

    Thank you very much, I appreciate your help!

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