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    Help w/Location on Griffith's Map

    Liz Chace
    Liz Chace ✭
    March 17 in Social Groups

    Hello and a Happy St. Patrick's Day to all! ☘️😊 Hoping to get some help with a Griffith's Valuation map. I believe the Timothy Sheehan listed here in Gurteenbeha, Castlemagner, County Cork is my ancestor. I can see on the map where Gurteenbeha is but not quite sure where Timothy would have lived. I see that the valuation says 1 b, and I see on the map for Gurteenbeha where the number 1 is but I don't see the letters, for example b for Timothy. So when I am looking in the area where the 1 is, is that the general area of where he would have lived? Or is there something I'm missing.

    Thank you in advance.

    Liz

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    • Áine Ní Donnghaile
      Áine Ní Donnghaile ✭✭✭✭✭
      March 17

      Good morning @Liz Chace

      According to Griffith's listing for that property, section 1 was subdivided into parts a, b, and c.
      The short answer is yes, 1b would be found in the section marked as 1 on the map.

      This explanation of the Rundale system of farming may help you.

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    • Liz Chace
      Liz Chace ✭
      March 17

      Thank so much! I'd never heard of the Rundale system so that information is very helpful.

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    • John Curran
      John Curran ✭✭✭
      March 18

      My understanding of how to read the markings on Griffith's Valuation documents is as follows.

      Numerals and the upper-case letters designate the land parcels, the uppercase letters indicating the division of an original single numerical parcel (1, 2 3, etc..) into two or more smaller parcels of land (3A, 3B, 3C, etc..).

      The lower-case letters (a, b, c, etc..) indicated a dwelling within that parcel of land.

      As you have pointed out, the sheet below would seem to indicate that Timothy Sheehan lived in dwelling b in parcel of land 1 within the Townland of Gurteenbeha. However, there is no lower-case letters marked in parcel of land 1 on the map, as shown below.

      Parcel 1 is shown to contain three dwellings, a, b & c. The first, a, is likely to be the main house "Rosnalee".

      Dwellings b and c could be one of the gate lodges shown, or any of the several other buildings on the map. With the normal lower-case letter designation missing from the map, it's impossible to tell.

      GV Parish of Castlemagner Page 8 - Markup.png Gurteenbeha Plot 1.jpg
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    • Adrian Bruce1
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      March 23

      If I recall correctly, getting a set of maps that match the coding in the version of the Valuation that you're looking at - is tricky. Things changed…

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    • Áine Ní Donnghaile
      Áine Ní Donnghaile ✭✭✭✭✭
      March 23

      The map set on FindMyPast is older and more closely resembles the original valuation. The set on Ask About Ireland is of more recent vintage.

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    • John Curran
      John Curran ✭✭✭
      March 25

      @Áine Ní Donnghaile I did not know that about the Griffiths maps. That is useful to know.

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    • Áine Ní Donnghaile
      Áine Ní Donnghaile ✭✭✭✭✭
      March 25 edited March 25

      @John Curran
      John Grenham's information on that topic may be helpful.

      https://www.johngrenham.com/browse/retrieve_text.php?text_contentid=67

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