how to find a parent or parents of great grandfather whose was brought up by his grandparents in Eng
Born: 1884, I think in Middlesex, England
His grandmother Ann Young took him to Canada in 1896. I have a feeling Ann's daughter Emily 1853, had the baby boy & was not married. Also Emily was probably read to be burdened with a baby so Ann took him in & raised him in Winsley, Wiltshire, England.
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It would perhaps be a help if you provided the name of the child himself. We cannot even be sure his surname was YOUNG from the detail you have given.
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Thank you Paul for getting back to me. His name was Fred Young, B: 1884 in Battersea.
Ann lived in Winsley, Wiltshire & Fred lived with her & her husband William (D: 1889).
Ann the grandmother brought Fred in 1896 to live in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada with her other daughter Eliza Mizen (Young) who had already moved to Manitoba, Canada.
I have been looking for the parent/s for about 20 years now. Last year I sent a request out in one of these chat rooms (not FS) & nothing came of it, so I just kept the info limited. I have a reason why I think Emily is the mother & her mother Ann Young took the baby right after he was born. However…shouldn't there be a record of the birth somewhere? Emily Young died in 1907 in Paddinton, England.
I appreciate any suggestions you might have.
Regards
Patricia
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It's getting a bit late in the evening (here in London) so I might have to come back to you if I find anything further. Meanwhile, I just found this 1891 census record, which you might be aware of. It just shows Fred(erick) with his grandmother - I see Winsley is about 2 miles from Bradford on Avon.
The only match for a possible Battersea birth in 1884 is for a Frederick William Young (mother's maiden name SPENCER) - birth registered June 1884 Quarter at Wandsworth (which included the Battersea area). There is also a December Quarter 1885 birth registered at Wandsworth (mother GOLDSMITH). Assuming the 1884 birth relates to your Fred Young, I'm afraid I can't find any Young / Spencer marriage (pre 1884) to match at present. (The parents of the Frederick Young born in 1885 are possibly Henry Young and Caroline Goldsmith - married in the Wandsworth area in 1880).
I'll post this for now, but will try to look further tomorrow for any more clues. One line of thought is that Fred's mother died soon after his birth. There are a number of female YOUNG deaths in the Wandsworth area between 1884 & 1891, including an Elizabeth Sarah Young, 32, who died about the same time Fred was born. All this is speculation, of course, so if you do have any details that would contradict this idea please advise.
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Just about to close for the night and found this: presumably you are aware of this detail showing Ann's husband, Charles, and daughter "Emilie" in the 1871 census:
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Thank you Paul for your help, please don't stay up late for me. I do appreciate all your info you send me. I do have the same info you have sent me, thank you. I always feel a fresh pair of eyes always help. Emily's second name was Sophia.
Here is my assumption of Emily's life: She was a servant in a few places from London to Yorkshire. When she was in London she met a guy for a night & of course got pregnant she called her mother & when the baby was born, mother took the baby back to her house & Emily went up to Yorkshire. I have a report where in August 1880 she was admitted to a workhouse in Southwark London. That was a short stay as in 1881 she was a servant in Hastings St. Leneorard on Sea, Sussex. In 1891 she was working in Yorkshire. In June 1896 I feel Emily's mother Ann said I going to take you & your son over to Canada to your sister Eliza because I am too old to take care of him. Emily's name is on the ship's passenger list but then it is crossed off..so she stayed in England. Well, actually a few years later she took a quick trip to the US & then back again and passed away in 1907 in Paddington. So….I feel sure Fred is Emily's son but that Emily didn't want or Know How to take care of another person but herself.
I have Frederick's marriage certificate in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada & it states his name as Alfred Frederick, place of birth Essex, England & his mother's name as Margaret.
I'm sure Fred went to school in Winsley, Wiltshire, is there any way you can contact the school to ask about when & what name the school might have been called? I mean the school would need some info about the boy's parent/s don't you think?
Well, now you can see why I haven't found the parent/s. I have tried to find Margaret but no luck. Well it is 9:15 pm. here in Toronto, Canada & it is soon time for bed.
Thank you again for all your trouble.
Best Regards
Patricia
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Thank you for advising me of the research you have already undertaken - it will save me further duplication of your thorough work to date. I was interested to find the family in the 1881 census at Bradford on Avon, where another grandson is found. James H(enry) Young, aged 10, born Middlesex (as you probably already know) has only one match in the birth registration records: 1871 at Chelsea, mother TANNER. From that, I assume there was a YOUNG son, James, who married Emily Tanner at Chelsea in 1861.
I won't go any further, unless you have any specific query on the family. However, regarding Fred's school records, the only place likely to hold them going back that far would, I believe, be the Wiltshire and Swindon Archives. You might wish to email them (at archives@wiltshire.gov.uk) to enquire about their holdings, or even check their online catalogue. Go to their page at https://wshc.org.uk/enquiries-and-research/ if you haven't already done so.
I can see you have a difficult one here. Two of the main problems I have come across in my own research have been the lack of consistency regarding places of birth and in establishing a father for an illegitimate child. One ancestor - a John FAWCETT - had his father as Michael Fawcett on his marriage certificate. I wasted a considerable amount of time trying to discover Michael's identity, only to later find he was really John's stepfather and actually named Michael COATES!
I wish you well in your further searches and hope you have not reached a "brick wall" with this particular exercise.
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