Kyburg ZH - Census - 1671 - Mueller - Ulrich

nealallenscheel1

The URL below for the 1671 Kyburg Census contains the entry for the Ulrich Mueller household living in Billicken (Billikon) in the Kyburg parish. One of the people living in the household is a Magdalena Mueller. Her age is listed as 59 years old. Ulrich's age is listed as 55 years old. In the line above Magdalena's name is a phrase. I need some help translating that phrase. Hopefully it will give me the relationship of her to Ulrich. Your help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSM6-HQTX?lang=en&i=522

WSeelentag

Let's first get the year defined for sure: in the post you write 1671 - but the file name indicates 1682: which is correct?

Now for your question - I read:

Hat bÿ sich die muter (= Mutter)

Has with him the mother - mother of whom? Cannot be his mother - age would fit his mother-in-law … but surname doesn't fit … a mistake?

It would be nice to check the baptismal register for Elsbeth Bryner … but unfortunately these early years are missing.

There is a Bevölkerungsverzeichnis from 1646: you could look for a Bryner family with a mother Magdalena and a daughter Elßbeth about 3 years old.

nealallenscheel1

1. Year: The year is 1671. The file name address (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSM6-HQTX?lang=en&i=522) is for 1671. In an earlier discussion that you helped me with I incorrectly put this file name address for the 1682 census. Maybe that is the confusion - my bad.
2. Elsbeth's parents: I had previously found Elsbeths (sometimes spelled Lisbeth or Elisabeth) parents in both the 1646 and 1649 census records. In both records her parents are Hans Bryner and Cleophe Tobler. See attached records. There are only three Bryner families in the records and she is the only Elsbeth.
3. Magdalena Mueller: There is a third attachment to this reply that is from the 1678 census. Note that Elsbeth is now married to a Jacob Mueller, and Elsbeth's children by her first husband, Ulrich Mueller, are still with her. Magdalena Mueller is living with them also. The annotation above her name says "sein mutter"- his mother, that is Jacob's mother. So, I feel that Jacob Mueller and Ulrich Mueller are somehow related and that your translation in this discussion would help clarify it. But the part of the translation that says she is "the" mother doesn't clear it up. If you have other thoughts on this let me know. Otherwise I will just need to move on. Thanks for your excellent help as always.