Confusing Probate document help.

ColinM0288

I have a probate document Im trying to understand. It says "Glozier otherwise Edwards Kate Helen etc etc."

I don't understand the word "otherwise" What does this mean? Her last name was Glozier she is a distant relative. She was as stated here a spinster. So I dont understand if this is saying she also went by another last name Edwards, or what this means. It is important to note that the accountant handling her estate seems to be someone named "Edwards". I cannot see anyone else on the page that has the same comment made. "otherwise".

Can anyone clarify what is going on here?

thank you.

https://www.familysearch.org/en/memories/memory/217858169

sc woz

@ColinM0288

Coming from the legal side of my experience I would say they were probably saying Clozier "Also Known As" Kate Edwards…. The proper definition of "otherwise" (Merriam Webster ) is something or something else depending on the context used. I could not find any other use of Otherwise in the page of Obituaries you provided to contradict this. But if anyone out in the community knows best please help us both out.

ColinM0288

The name is clearly Glozier as this was a family name verified by many references .. well and my mother.

The rest I mean you have to take what it says despite the confusion I suppose.

MandyShaw1

The 'accountant' is surely just Mr Edwards' occupation, with his role in this probate being executor. (Executors' occupations are very frequently given on these UK probate entries: as an example, I have one where the 2 executors, the deceased lady's sons, are listed as 'musician' and 'engineer'.) That makes it entirely possible that Mr Edwards is a relative.

I am quite sure that 'otherwise' here just means 'also known as'.

@sc woz these are probate listings not obituaries.

ColinM0288

Thanks I will have to look at relatives names.

Graham Buckell

I agree with the others that otherwise means an alternate name. You say she was unmarried but was she living with someone - perhaps Mr Edwards the accountant?

MandyShaw1

I wondered exactly that.

Paul W

@ColinM0288

This is probably Kate Helen in the 1911 census - if so (birthplace and age match), there appears to be no record of a marriage of a "Kate Helen" to an "Edwards" around 1904, as the census record implies (when "opened"). I am unable to find her in the 1901 census.

See https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW2Z-VMJ?lang=en

It appears likely Charles Lewis Edwards was a married man. There are two direct references to an individual of that full name in FamilySearch. The Find A Grave record puts his birth at c1865 Hampshire, which matches his 1911 census record - showing him as an accountant with a wife and five children: four of which are said to have been born in Argentina! Probably some interesting stories if you were to pursue this character!

Find A Grave record: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/269839994/charles-lewis-edwards and

1911 Census record at https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7VP-Q1J?lang=en

ColinM0288

First thank you very much for your research. Couple of added points I suppose for the keener's.

It is interesting that the burial of Mr Edwards is the very cemetery that Helen's parents are Buried in.

Here is Mr Edwards

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/269839994/charles-lewis-edwards

Here are Helen's parents my great grandparents.

Evangeline Eliza Glozier Smith (1860-1930) - Find a Grave Memorial.

Based on your comments, I looked up the actual physical ancestry record to the census of 1911. Hoping it might provide more info. But oddly it has only one name with the rest blank names. No husband listed, but clearly says Wife with no children.

To conclude you seem to think there is enough evidence to add Kate, if I understand you1911 census to the family tree for Kate Helen Edwards (Glozier) that you have provided. (as above.)

Kate Helen Glozier (1865–1918) • Person • Family Tree

Thank you for your remarks and assistance.

ColinM0288

Update. but no answers.

So I thought sometimes there are records before or after the record you found regarding the 1911 census and I'm not sure where you got the Charles Lewis Edwards, maybe you got it from what I am about to say…. but here is another odd thing related to that name. I hope you all can follow me on this. Honestly it's not vitally important but I just keep looking in my spare time and I find things that peck at me.

So …

Below is the page before the 1911 census of kate. This, its called "The Schedule". It is to be filled out by the head of the house or someone responsible for the house and head.

Please follow me, Keep this in mind, Kates census record is on page ——[#418.]—-Kate

Below is Page #417. My understanding is that this should be a record referring to the previous census record. Thus #417 ←— refers to page #116. Oddly however the name on #417 is "Charles Lewis Edwards". But when I look at page #116, the record that should have a man named Edwards on it, I dont see any. Other Schedules list at least on person that is on the Schedule on the preceding record. But this is not true for Page #417

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Then when I look at the page #419 which is the schedule for Kates page it says Mr Edwards.

I have looked to see if Mr Edwards appears on other records around but I do not see him 2 or 3 forward or backward. Well other than on page 417.

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So strangely Mr Edwards is listed twice. Admittedly possibly a different Mr Edwards but still confusing. Particularly because the first one is not even really listed in these census documents. Possibly he answered the door and answered the questions but did not live there?

Sorry if this doesnt make sense.