Can't find slovak marriage record

James84179

Trying to find a marriage record for this couple: https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/L8NQ-B16 (Mihaly Rohaly/Maria Donics).

I found 8 children born April 1875 through 1892 born in Krivostany/Krivostyán. On the children's Roman Catholic baptism registers, it says RK underneath his name and gk and kr underneath her name. I assume RK is Roman Catholic and gk is Greek Catholic, but don't know what kr is…

I also found a baptism record for Maria Donics, but it's in a Roman Catholic register… did I find the wrong record?

I've searched the Roman Catholic marriage records for Stare/Sztara, which includes many other Krivostany couples, but not them. However, I think there's a gap for the first 9 months or so of 1872, so if they were married in 1872, I wouldn't know where to find it.

I've searched the Greek Catholic marriage records for Strazske/Őrmező, which again, contained records for other Krivostany couples. but did not find their marriage record in there either.

Any ideas or other things I could check? Thank you!

Christopher Kovach_1

https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/person/sources/L8DB-NRT

Christopher Kovach_1

Here's the marriage record in the Greek Catholic records in Vol'a:https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-XH1C-R45?cat=758424&i=126&lang=en

Julia Szent-Györgyi

I do wonder what the cisarik site is mistranslating as "county"; not a single one of those is or was anything even remotely resembling a county, but they're also not always the town of the event. I've also not been able to find a list of their coverage: which places, denominations, years, and events did they index? (Well, besides clearly not the Lutherans that I would need….)

K.r. (for example: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-XCWS-7L?lang=en&i=19) is közrendű "commoner". You'll notice that her religion is "g.k.", which is indeed Greek Catholic (Eastern rite but Western administration).

The marriage record:

1874
3. January 25.
Mihály Rohály, Mária Dojnics
Place of origin and residence: Krivoscsán 27, L.Volya
Religion: rk, gk
Age: 24, 22
Status: widower, single
Witnesses: János Kraly, János Markó, János Mitzó
Officiant: Lajos D??inszky, pastor of L.Volya
Announcements: ditto ("they hath been announced").

James84179

Thank you!!! I must have missed that record somehow during my pass of the Greek Catholic registers. EDIT: Never mind, I see it was in Vola, so I would have never looked in those registers.

Seems the Maria Donics baptism record I found is for a different person then: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DR83-1LR?view=index&personArk=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AV174-686&action=view&cc=1554443&lang=en

She was baptized in 1854 in Stare/Sztara in Roman Catholic registers, parents residing in Stare. Name was spelled Donics too, not Dojnics. A 22 year old in 1874 would be born 1852.

Guessing L. Volya is Voľa, which is about 3.7km from Strazske and about 4.6km from Krivostany (assuming that bridge was there back then)

Julia Szent-Györgyi

L.Volya is Laborcz-Volya in Zemplén county, later Laborczfalva, which is indeed now Voľa, Slovakia. It had (has?) a Greek Catholic church locally, and Roman Catholics were recorded in Őrmező (now Strážske).

James84179

So the Maria Donics I found was in the Sztara (now Stare) RC registers. I suppose she could have moved after her birth to Vola, but wouldn't being baptised in an RC church be odd if she was a greek catholic?

My understanding is that generally daughters follow their mothers religion. Was it typical for daughters to be baptized in their father's church but married in their mothers church?

I won't have time to go through the records one by one until later, but I couldn't find any matches in the Vola GC birth registers or Strážske RC birth registers via index search.

Julia Szent-Györgyi

I wouldn't rule out the 1854 birth, but I'd keep looking. (I couldn't find anything in the index of Laborcz-Volya, either, though.)

The pattern of "parent of matching sex's religion" was common, but another possibility was "pushier priest's religion" (which was almost always RC), or "whichever church is local" (which can be indistinguishable from the previous). The first was expected enough, though, that it could be applied (or generally assumed) regardless of where the baptism actually took place: if people knew that the mother was GC, they'd automatically assume that the daughter was also.

(Let's see what the Community's nanny-bot thinks of "matching sex". I know that the same phrase with the first word replaced with "same" results in something that said bot considers unspeakably offensive.)

James84179

@Christopher Kovach_1 Just curious, how did you determine you needed to check the Vola registers?

Christopher Kovach_1

When I did a search for Maria Donics, I got all these results for people named Donics in Vol'a, so I decided to check the marriage records.

James84179

Looks like the Vol'a baptism records for 1842-1861 are not indexed, which explains why the index search came up empty.

I found 3 Maria Dojnics in the 1869 census in Vol'a, with a likely match of the born in 1853 in Vol'a -

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSR9-34FY?cat=385993&i=122&lang=en

Apparently greek records are in church slavonic:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-68K3-PZS?cat=758424&i=26&lang=en&cc=1554443

Couldn't find Maria Donjics, born to Janos and Zsus?… But I think it's mostly in Cyrillic 😬.

Chat GPT says Maria → Марія, Janos → Іоанн and Donjics → Дойнич

Will have to take another look tomorrow.

Julia Szent-Györgyi

In my experience, the 1869 census-takers couldn't get a birth year correct to save their lives, although they do tend to at least be in the vicinity of the right ballpark.
But oof, the handwriting on this one almost may as well be Cyrillic...

I.1. Head of family János Dojnics, male, born: 1818, GC, married, occupation: farmer, mode of employment or income: from his lands, birthplace: Volya, residency: local, present over one month continuously, cannot read and write.
2. his wife Zsuzs. (=Zsuzsanna) Hanusov, female, 1825, RC(?), married, housewifeness (yes, I swear, it says gazdasszonyság), household, Nátafalv. (Nátafalva = Nacina Ves), local, present, cannot.
3. their child Maria, female, 853, GC, single, -, -, Volya, local, present, can read but not write (I think - definitely can read, not sure about the can't write).

In Cyrillic, Zsuzsanna (Susanna) looks like 3y3aHHa. (No, those are not the Cyrillic letters. They're what the letters look like to me.)
Maria looks like Mapia.
János/Joannes looks like JoaH6 (with extra bits).

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-68K3-5DD?cat=758424&i=31&lang=en&cc=1554443
Top of right-hand page, born and baptized the 14th of I think June in 1851, Maria daughter of Joann and Susanna; the father's surname looks like 2oŭHu7b, which I can't rule out being actually Dojnics or something like it.