help to prove that 9K8T-K4Q (John Jackson) is the same person as G8LS-4M1 (John Jacobsen Eide)
I need help to prove that 9K8T-K4Q (John Jackson) is the same person as G8LS-4M1 (John Jacobsen Eide).
Here's what I can prove:
Johan Jacobsen Eide was born 1867-08-09 in Hemne, Sør-Trøndelag, Norway, baptized 1867-10-07
Parents: Jacob Larsen & Helle Olsdatter
1888-05-02 John and his sister Elen Jacobsen Eide leaves Norway from Trondheim with the destination Duluth, Minnesota
In the 1895 census in Duluth we have one John Jackson, married to Alice Jackson. They have 2 children, Herman and Hazel.
In the 1900 census in Duluth we have John Jackson with wife Alice F Jackson, children Herman, Hazel N, Clara M.
In the 1905 census in Duluth we have John with Martha Beckman with the above children + Albin
I believe that they are the same person but is this enough to merge them? I can't find the information I need to be 100% sure!
//David
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That is a hard question. I see that you have full marriage information for John and Martha. Do you have any sources for that? Are there any marriage records that might contain his father's name?
Checking Ancestry shows there is a marriage certificate:
Searching the site https://moms.mn.gov/ gives:
It is not viewable online. I think your best bet is to order a copy of the marriage certificate and hope it has at least John's father's name if not both his parents.
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PS. I don't see that anyone has added John Eide's emigration record as a source for that profile. That would be good to do so it is easy to find again. It is found here: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/8/pe00000000095893
It would also be good to get that information added under Other Information.
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Regarding John and Martha's wedding date, It's a bit weird since I know they lived together in the 1905 census. I also noticed I gave John an incorrect birth year.. it's 1866 not 1867.
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Actually that 1905 census does have some interesting information. But what it does not have is anyone's marital status. And Martha is listed with her maiden name and occupation as Domestic. I would interpret that to mean that John and Martha were indeed not married yet and that Martha was living in the home as a hired housekeeper or nanny to take care of widower John's children. Kind of a Sound of Music situation.
Any hope of finding John and Alice's marriage record?
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Could this be John's first marriage? The date would fit, the county fits, and Howard could be a mis-transcription for Howitt. Or maybe Alice's last name really was Howard and the two sources that have her name differently are wrong. They were both created long after her death.
I think you are going to have to order Certificate F-362 as well and hope for the best.
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Hi, and thanks for all the help!
I believe that you're right regarding the wedding records, if John's parents are mentioned there it's settled! There are no military records or anything that I've found that can prove that they are the same. I just have to see if I'm willing to spend $ on the marriage certificates!0 -
One last thought for you. On the profile for Ellen Jakobsdatter Eide, the various people working there have accepted the marriage to John Olson to be her. Looking briefly at the sources I'm not sure how that conclusion was reached so you will have do decide whether you agree with that conclusion. In any event, this is probably her marriage certificate F-345:
If the certificates don't have parents, maybe they have witnesses and if so, don't you think your only relative in town, your brother, would most likely be one of those witnesses?
Another thing the certificates might help you learn would be what church they were both associated with. John Jackson's and Ellen Eide's first children were born in Duluth. Maybe a church christening records would show them as godparents for each other's children if they are brother and sister. Being witness for marriage and christening would be circumstantial evidence, but since everything matches so well for John and John I think that would be sufficient.
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I haven't looked into Elen so much yet but I'll start to work on her to see if I can find anything. It's also worth mentioning that in 1888 there was 142 ish John who left Norway from Trondheim but only 1 John Jacobson. So lets hope that either me or someone else find the proof needed
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