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Translation Request for Balthasar Neukirck b. 1630- d 21 October 1716

Susan Richards
Susan Richards ✭
September 14, 2024 in Social Groups

I found an Estate Inventory and would appreciate if someone could look it up and translate it for me. In the tags section is the name of the man I am searching for. I'm hoping he is the father of my Balthasar Neukirch who was born about 1655. Any names for children or wife would be extremely helpful

Here is the link address:

https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=5761f7a0dc04c98a&sca_upv=1&rlz=1C5CHFA_enUS1058US1058&q=Stockholms+r%C3%A5dhusr%C3%A4tt+1:a+avdelning+(A,AB)+F1A:84+(1717)+Image+1250/Page+114+(AID:+v222386.b1250.s114,+NAD:SE/SSA/0145a+%5B+K%C3%A4lla:+ArkivDigital+AD+AB%5D&spell=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjexP7lksGIAxVXJDQIHUxYD2oQkeECKAB6BAgLEAE

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  • pauljoshuahurst
    pauljoshuahurst ✭
    September 18, 2024

    The link doesn't work.

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  • Norm Baker
    Norm Baker ✭✭✭✭
    September 24, 2024 edited September 24, 2024

    @Susan Richards

    Pauljoshuahurst is correct that the link you provided does not work. However, the link contains a short-cut to the record in ArkivDigital: v222386.b1250.s114. Using that short-cut I was able to find the probate you are asking about. After some searching, I was able to locate the probate in Riksarkivet, the Swedish archives, which do not require a subscription to use. The link to that record is here: https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0107565_00133#?c=&m=&s=&cv=132&xywh=2130%2C40%2C3980%2C2061

    I can't give you a complete transcription/translation of the probate, but I will give you the names and relationships that are mentioned.

    On the first page, Baltzar Neukirch is, of course, the deceased. He died 21 October 1716.

    His widow is Maria Engell Neukirch. In their marriage record, she is listed as Maria Engel Meyntz. See the indexed record here: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QL9Z-V8RS (You may need to manually change all 3 instances of "%3A" to ":" in the link to get it to work) and the actual marriage record is here: https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0056733_00060#?c=&m=&s=&cv=59&xywh=964%2C1371%2C2470%2C1306.

    The next name mentioned in the probate is Johan Carl Neukirch. I believe the probate is saying that Johan Carl is from Baltzar's first marriage.

    The next name in the probate is Catharina Elisabeth Neukirch who is Baltzar's daughter (also from the first marriage?).

    The next name mentioned is 13 year old Maria Elisabeth Schneider who is the daughter of Catharina Elisabeth Neukirch and granddaughter of Baltzar Neukirch. The probate reports that Maria Elisabeth is living at home with her step-grandmother (ie. Maria Engell Neukirch, above).

    The second page of the probate lists more children for Baltzar Neukirch.

    The first child [No. 3 in the probate] is merchant Sr. (Monsignor) Baltzar Neukirch.

    The second child [No. 4] is Niclas Neukirch who is in service to a merchant in Dantzig [Germany].

    Third [No. 5] is a daughter, Magdalena Neukirch who is married to master mason Bengt Skragge.

    Fourth [No. 6] is another daughter, Regina Neukirch who is married to brewer Sr. (Monsignor) Elias Åkerblom.

    After that it mentions that the junior Baltzar Neukirch is present at the probate and he is assigned as the guardian to Maria Elisabeth Schneider (his niece).

    The other people mentioned at the end of the probate are others who were present at the probate: Magdalena Neukirch and son-in-law Elias Åkerblom.

    You may be able to use this link to search for people by name in Stockholm, Sweden: https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/2057674 . Don't be too specific or put in too much information for best results.

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  • Susan Richards
    Susan Richards ✭
    November 12, 2024 edited November 12, 2024

    This is such GREAT information. I can't thank you enough!!! God Bless you!!

    Susan Richards

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  • Forrest Emmett
    Forrest Emmett ✭✭✭
    November 12, 2024

    A couple additional thoughts:

    1. all of the children named in the probate are from Baltzar's first marriage.
    2. Catharina Elisabeth Neukirch's daughter Maria is mentioned in the probate because Catharina is deceased at this time (time of the probate is Apr 1717).
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  • Susan Richards
    Susan Richards ✭
    November 12, 2024

    Thank you for this information! My family comes through his first wife. Is there any way I can find out the name of his first wife? I've tried finding it; but haven't had any luck.

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  • Susan Richards
    Susan Richards ✭
    November 21, 2024

    From this document, can anyone verify what year ?? Baltzar was born??? As I'm continuing my research, I have found a couple of Balthazar (?) Neukirch's. It's been difficult to figure out which children go to which man and also which wife goes with which children.

    Susan

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  • Norm Baker
    Norm Baker ✭✭✭✭
    November 22, 2024

    Sorry, to which document are you referring?

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  • Susan Richards
    Susan Richards ✭
    November 22, 2024

    The Estate inventory that I posted earlier in this message chain. I really appreciate all the help others give me on here!

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  • Norm Baker
    Norm Baker ✭✭✭✭
    November 24, 2024

    The probate mentions 2 different Baltzar Neukircks-the deceased and his son. I am afraid that I do not see any indication in the probate as to the father's or son's ages or dates of birth. Also, it doesn't appear that the father's original death record is available-only an indexed record which does not state his age.

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  • Susan Richards
    Susan Richards ✭
    November 24, 2024

    Thank you for your help! Greatly appreciated!

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  • Forrest Emmett
    Forrest Emmett ✭✭✭
    November 25, 2024

    As a note, upon a second review, it actually seems that Balthasar was on his third marriage. I believe the estate inventory actually says he had children from two previous marriages.

    It's an interesting research problem. From 1684 onward (when Niclaus was baptized), they are part of the Tyska (German) parish in Stockholm. You would think that you could find his marriages to his spouses by working backwards from 1684. I searched ten years prior to 1684 and didn't find anything. Or you might hope you could find a burial record for his spouses before 1698 (when he married his third wife). Unfortunately, it seems that actual burial records didn't survive that far back. Fortunately, there are some extra records (räkenskaper and verifakationer) that someone indexed to account for the missing burial records. The records themselves don't appear to have been digitized, so you're stuck with the index. I did a cursory search in the index and didn't find any leads to the first wives. There is also the matter of the older children, Catharina, Balthasar not showing up in the indexed baptism records.

    I think you might find that Balthasar married his first two wives and had his older children in another parish. You might pivot your research to those two older children, do they have birthplaces listed anywhere. If it says Stockholm, maybe you just need to look in a different parish within Stockholm. Since they were in the German congregation, maybe these marriages and births occurred somewhere in Germany before they moved to Sweden. It might be beneficial to try and look into the history of Sankt Gertrud's Tyska parish. Did many of the people there come from the same part of Germany?

    Hope this helps provide some clues as to where to look next.

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  • Ulrich Neitzel
    Ulrich Neitzel ✭✭✭✭✭
    November 30 edited November 30

    @Susan Richards

    Here is the full translation of the probate record:

    In the year 1717, on April 12
    In the presence of the Justice Mayor, the noble and highly respected Mr. Anders Hylten, together with Councilman Mr. Petter Dahlström and Notary Hindrich Feist, an inventory was drawn up of the estate left by the tavern keeper here in the city, Baltzar Neukirch, who died on October 21, 1716. The estate left behind is for the benefit of his widow, his virtuous wife Maria Engel Neukirch, and children from his two previous marriages: 1. his son Johan Carl Neukirch, who is currently at sea, 2. his late daughter Catharina Elisabeth Neukirch's daughter Maria Elisabeth Schneider, aged 13, living at home with her step grandmother, 3. his son, the merchant Baltzar Neukirch, 4. his son Niclas Neukirch, employed by a merchant in Danzig, 5. his daughter Magdalena Neukirch, married to master mason Bengt Skragge, 6. his daughter Regina Neukirch, married to brewer Elias Åkerblom. Present are the son Baltzar Neukirch on behalf of himself and his sister's daughter Maria Elisabeth Schneider, for whom he has been appointed guardian, as well as Magdalena Neukirch, and son-in-law Elias Åkerblom. The estate is stated by the widow as follows…

    Compare to the discussion at

    https://community.familysearch.org/discussion/183564/finding-where-to-find-records-to-research
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