Further research regarding Pazony, Hungary
I have done amazingly well with the help of this community in tracing Hungarian relatives. One set of relatives is a total puzzle to me. I know that the two individuals died in Pazony, Hungary ( was stated on daughter, Julianna’s, death notice) and were of the Hungarian Reform faith. I have searched and searched through church images looking for the death registration and cannot find anything. I do not know for sure that they were born or married in Pazony. Would there be another close by Reform church that they could have attended and the record is somewhere else? The relative in question is Samuel Szegedi and Susanna Sos. Their first child (Julianna) was born in 1837 in Keek and the second one (Maria) was born in Sima. The last two (Gyula and Elenora) were born in Pazony. I thought if I could find the marriage record or the death notice, it might list the place of birth. Based on usual data, I believe they were born around 1818 and were married somewhere between 1835-1836. Any suggestions?
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Dvorzsák says (Nyir-)Pazony's Protestants were recorded in Oros, but I'm not seeing any mention of Pazony in the 1830s marriage records from Oros, and the indexed baptisms do not cough up a match to Samuel Szegedi or Susanna Sos. I also tried searching just by given name for Gyula and Eleonora, but didn't come up with anything likely-looking. It's possible that Dvorzsák's information was either wrong or only correct for a later period than what we're looking for.
The informant for Julianna's death in Oros was her landlady, so all of the information recorded there about her origins needs to be taken with a grain of salt.
There's a baptism recorded in Kék for Julianna, the illegitimate daughter of Susanna Sós, on 20 January 1838 (born on the 19th).
I cannot get the indexed records database to cough up any record resembling what you've given above about Maria, Gyula, or Eleonora. What is your source of information about them?
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That is very interesting about the baptismal record of Julianna and her being illegitimate. Maybe that's why the next child didn't come until 1844 Maria, 1846 (Gyula), 1848 (Eleanor0 when Susanna married. Gyula is the one who eventually married Teresa Vig—(you helped me with this).Here are the citations you asked for:
"Hungary Reformed Church Christenings, 1624-1895", , FamilySearch(https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VFPL-LNL : Mon Mar 11 02:07:07 UTC 2024), Entry for Eleonóra Szegedi and Sámuel Szegedi, 1848.
"Hungary Reformed Church Christenings, 1624-1895", , FamilySearch(https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VFPL-VSD : Sat Mar 09 03:12:15 UTC 2024), Entry for Gyula Szegedy and Sámuel Szegedy, 1846.
"Hungary Reformed Church Christenings, 1624-1895", , FamilySearch(https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VFPV-86F : Sat Mar 09 03:10:20 UTC 2024), Entry for Mária Szegedi and Samuel Szegedi, 08 Mar 1844.
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Found their marriage in 1843 in Kék, but it's unfortunately rather uninformative:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-MG6T-3?cc=1858355
4707678 212/383 (Kék Ref.)
1843
5. April 18. Noble Samu Szegedi, resident of Ujj Fejértó [=Ujfehértó], with local resident noble Zsuzsánna Soós, having a letter of dispensation from the three announcements, were legally married before witness István Farkas.(Just to make life more fun, there was a different Sámuel Szegedi in Ujfehértó; his wife was Mária Péntek, and the index has eleven baptisms for their children between 1839 and 1862.)
The thing I find odd is that none of these records identify Sam's occupation. They all carefully specify that he was noble (as opposed to a taxpayer), but that's it — there's no explanation for the move from Ujfehértó to Sima to Pazony, nor for what the heck he was doing in Kék (or when exactly he was doing it).
Just to make myself feel useful, I'll offer some trivia in the form of vocabulary: kék "blue", fehér "white", új "new", tó "pond, lake" (and tócsa "puddle"), sós "salty", péntek "Friday", farkas "wolf" (literally "with tail"), sima "smooth".
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Thank you. It doesn’t seem as though the Reform Church’s records are as informative as the Roman Catholic ones ☹️
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