adding memories to living people in Group trees does not add the memory to the Regular tree
when i add a memory to a living person in Group trees, that memory is not viewable in the Regular tree (probably since they are different FS ID's). However, people that I invite into my tree won't realize that and will add memories thinking they are a permanent part of the regular familytree. so when the group trees disappear, likewise the memories that were uploaded will also disappear. This is the primary reason that I have not invited anyone into my Group tree.
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When that person in the Shared Group dies, someone in the group needs to mark that PID as deceased. That profile along with the attached memories in the group, I think will be viewable in the normal Family Tree area. I have not tested that, but that is my understanding.
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My understanding is that having more than 1 administrator of the family group tree will keep it going in perpetuity. Then, the memories will remain for generations to come.
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@Denney Pugmire There are two distinct visibility issues with memories that it seems you might be mixing up.
A memory has its own visibility, which can be:
- Public: everyone can see it
- Private: only you (the creator of the memory) can see it
- Limited Access: this applies only to family groups; the memory is visible only to members of the specified group(s).
The memory's visibility determines whether it can be seen at all. A public memory can be seen by anyone on the Internet, even though it might be hard to find in some cases, depending on its title, description, and tags.
Each memory may have zero or more person tags, which connect that memory to a person in Family Tree. This determines if it appears on the Memories tab of the person in Family Tree. The person ID used in the tag may be for:
- A deceased person: such tags will be visible to everyone
- A private person (typically a living person) in your personal tree. If you are participating in Family Group Trees (FGT), this will be called "FamilySearch Tree" in the tree selector dropdown at the top left corner of the screen.
- A private person (typically a living person) in a family group tree.
When you copy a private person from your personal tree to a FGT, all that person's memory tags are also copied. When you look at a memory they are tagged in, you'll then see two tags for that person on the memory — one labeled "Private Person" and one labeled with the name of the FGT. When you add a new tag for a living person, you can choose which version of the person to tag — the Private Person or the FGT person or both.
So with that explanation in place, I'll reply to some specific things you said:
- when i add a memory to a living person in Group trees, that memory is not viewable in the Regular tree (probably since they are different FS ID's). As long as the memory is Public, everyone can view it. But it will appear on the Memories tab for every person it is tagged to. If you tagged the memory to the Private Person version of the living person, then it will appear in the FamilySearch Tree. If you tagged the memory to the FGT version of the living person, then it will appear in the FGT. And if you tagged it to both versions of the living person, it will appear in both trees.
- However, people that I invite into my tree won't realize that and will add memories thinking they are a permanent part of the regular familytree. That's fine. Their memories contributions (assuming they are public) will be part of the memories available to everyone. If these memories are tagged only to living persons, then most people won't be able to see them on any person's Memories tab, since those living persons are not generally visible. This issue is not unique to FGT, but applies to all living persons. As @Chas Howell helpfully explained, when that person eventually dies, someone will need to mark that person in Family Tree as deceased (this is true for persons in an FGT or for your own private persons) and then the person will be part of the public tree and so their memory tags will be visible to everyone.
- so when the group trees disappear, likewise the memories that were uploaded will also disappear. First of all, the group trees aren't likely to disappear. Although FGT is technically an experimental feature, it's clear that FamilySearch is very committed to this feature and it's only a matter of time until it is easily available to everyone. Yes, a particular FGT might go away if every member of that family group leaves the group, but that's not very common. And even if that happens, the memory is still available (assuming the memory had public visibility, which is the default). The memory itself will not disappear — only the tags for FGT persons would go away. Along the way, anyone can add their own person tags (for living or deceased persons) to any public memory, and those tags on that memory will survive no matter what happens to the FGT.
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I like the new limited access, but I wish that changes to my private research tree could also be "limited access."
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@MrsLCJ I don't understand what you're suggesting. The meaning of "limited access" is that access to a memory is limited to the specified family group tree(s).
If a memory is tagged only to living people in your "private research tree," then no one else can see those tags. If you want a memory to have the corresponding visibility, you can set its visibility to Private. That would be the best analogue to Limited Access for family group trees.
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@MrsLCJ The only way you can have a 'private research tree' on FamilySearch is if you upload a Gedcom to the Genealogies section. However, the trees listed in Genealogies are static trees…not able to add sources and memories to it. You can always delete it and upload a newer version of your tree.
If you want to maintain a tree that no one can change, you will need to use a third-party program (see the Solutions Gallery) or another website such as Ancestry or MyHeritage that allows you to have your own tree that no one can change. FamilySearch Shared Tree is the collective tree for the entire human race and is opensource, meaning that anyone with a FamilySearch account can make changes to any deceased person existing in the FamilySearch Tree. Learn more about the FamilySearch shared tree.
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I'm confused now about some of these replies. If a living person in the group tree is tagged in a photo that is set for limited access to the group, several of the answers above seem to be saying that when that person is changed to deceased and moves into the main tree the photos become visible to all. Is that correct? Or are the photos set for group limited access still only visible to group members even though the person tagged is now deceased?
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@BGPSW All memories retain whatever settings they are set to by the person who originally uploaded them. Marking a living profile as deceased only moves the living profile into the deceased FamilySearch Tree. The memories that are tagged to that profile retain whatever settings they have. Yes, if a photo or story is set to Limited Access, only the people in the specified Family Group(s) will be able to see that memory, even though it is now attached to a deceased profile. After the owner of the memory has died, his profile can be marked as inactive or deceased. That locks all of the memories that he has added to whatever settings he set.
Consider a five-generation photograph. Great-Great-grandma will die soon, but the youngest person in the picture (presumably a baby) will be living for many years. I would set such a picture to Limited Access. So, even after Great-great-grandma died (and her profile is marked as deceased and is now visible to anyone), only the group members of that family group will be able to see the picture.
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