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Question on a 1821 Marriage record from Biskirchen, Hessen

Bonnie Weisel
Bonnie Weisel ✭
July 20 in Social Groups

Nordrhein-Westfalen / Archiv der Evangelischen Kirche im Rheinland / Biskirchen
Taufen 1809-1814, Eheschließungen 1774-1829, Sterbefälle 1731-1814, Konfirmationen 1775-1826, Bemerkungen 1776-1834
https://www.archion.de/en/viewer/churchRegister/271097
https://weisel-usa.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/ValeninKonold1821marriage.jpg

On December 26, 1821 Valentin Konold, a hammerschmidtmeister, married Ernestina Fÿscher, the daughter of Christian Lüdwig Fÿscher. What I can't translate is what comes after "aus' and "auf dem" for Valentin. I have been unable to find a birth location for Valentin or where he was resident when he married.

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  • Ulrich Neitzel
    Ulrich Neitzel ✭✭✭✭✭
    July 20 edited July 20

    @Bonnie Weisel

    The words after Valentin Konold are "Hammerschmiedmeister aus Hirzenhain(?) gebürtig, angestellt auf dem Hammerwerke Schellnhausen", meaning "master hammersmith born in Hirzenhain(?), employed at the hammerworks in Schellnhausen".

    I am not fully sure about Hirzenhain ( https://www.meyersgaz.org/place/10802129 ), but this is a place in Hesse not too far (~40 km) from Schellnhausen ( https://www.meyersgaz.org/place/20703088 ).

    For the hammerworks of Schellnhausen see this page: https://www.feldatal.de/tourismus/denkmale-geotope-naturdenkmale/muehlen/der-eisenhammer-von-schellnhausen/ (in German, please translate with your browser's translate function or DeepL: https://www.deepl.com/en/translator

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  • Robert Seal_1
    Robert Seal_1 ✭✭✭✭✭
    July 20 edited July 20

    Hello @Bonnie Weisel,

    This is what I read following "auf" and "auf dem":

    auf Hirzenhain gebürtig = native of Hirzenhhain

    angestellt auf dem Hammerwerke Schellhaussen = employed at the Schellnhaussen hammer mill

    Comments: Here is the link for Hirzenhain from Meyers Gazetteer: https://www.meyersgaz.org/place/10803001 Hirzenhain is approximately 19 miles north of Biskirchen.

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  • JohnsonGreg
    JohnsonGreg ✭✭✭✭
    July 20 edited July 20

    The second part says he is an employee at the hammermill in Schellnhausen. This article mentions a hammermill being built there is 1779.

    https://encyclopedia.homes/wiki/Buderus

    https://www.meyersgaz.org/place/20703088

    I think the first says he was born in

    https://www.meyersgaz.org/place/10802129

    or

    https://www.meyersgaz.org/place/10803001

    which is closer.

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  • JohnsonGreg
    JohnsonGreg ✭✭✭✭
    July 20

    There is an 1811 marriage record in Hirzenhain in Kreis Büdingen (https://www.meyersgaz.org/place/10802129) for his purported brother, Johann Friederich Konold GQB7-4PD:

    https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QPFJ-KGFB

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  • Bonnie Weisel
    Bonnie Weisel ✭
    July 20

    Thanks so much for the translation and information. If the gebürtig equates to geboren then yes, Valentin was very likely born in Hirzenhain, Kreis Büdingen, Hessen about 1794. I can't verify it positively because to view the pre-1808 Hirzenhain church records I need to visit a Family History Center. But 2 of his older siblings were married in Hirzenhain and his parents died in Hirzenhain.

    Note - the Konold family, an uncommon surname, originates in Königsbronn, Baden-Württemberg, the site of the first ironworks enterprise in Germany. "Hüttenwerke Königsbronn – HWK 1365, the oldest industrial entreprise in Germany, goes public".

    Bonnie

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  • StH31
    StH31 ✭✭✭
    July 20

    Both gebürtig and geboren originate in the noun Geburt. Gebürtig is the more formal term and in use in German-speaking countries to this day.

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