Gertrude Traud b. 1841 Herbstein-- question on parents

William Farrell_1

Hello,

Gertrude's baptismal record (see below) lists Nikolaus and Sabina Bargers as her parents and shows Gertrude's alias is Bargers. What does that mean? Also, Gertrude's marriage record (see further below) shows Emerentiana Traud as her mother. Is Sabina or Emerentiana her mother?

thanks

Name	Gertraud Theresia Traud
Alias	Bärgers
Sex	Female
Father's Name	Nikolaus Bärgers
Father's Sex	Male
Mother's Name	Sabina Bärgers
Mother's Alias	Schneiderin
Mother's Sex	Female
Mother Is Married	N
Event Type	Baptism
Event Date	30 Jan 1841
Event Place	Herbstein, Kreis Lauterbach, Hessen, Deutschland
Page Number	2;3
Affiliate Name	Evangelisches Zentralarchiv in Berlin
Church Name	Evangelische Kirche Herbstein (Kr. Lauterbach)
Note	Taufen, Heiraten u Tote 1855-1875

Marriage record

Name	Placidus Schneider
Sex	Male
Age	27 years
Birth Year (Estimated)	1837
Father's Name	Seraphin Schneider
Father's Sex	Male
Mother's Name	Lioba Traud
Mother's Sex	Female
Spouse's Name	Gertrude Theresia Traud
Spouse's Sex	Female
Spouse's Age	23 years
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated)	1841
Spouse's Mother's Name	Emerentiana Traud
Event Type	Marriage
Event Date
Event Place	Herbstein, Kreis Lauterbach, Grand Duchy of Hesse, German Empire
Page Number	567, 568

hehesani63

@William Farrell_1

Hi,

The name "Nikolaus Bärgers" is just a transcription error. There is a comment on the right side of the church book that introduces the name "Traud". Germany, Lutheran Baptisms, Marriages, and Burials, 1500-1971; https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSCJ-H957-C?cc=3015626
The word after "Nikolaus" is the German word "Bürger" (citizen).

I think it also says on the right side that the birth was illegitimate. Does that make sense?

Kind regards

William Farrell_1

It might. If Nikolaus conceived Gertrude with Emerentiana (see Gertrude's wedding record) and he and wife Sabina raised Gertrude as their own. Of course, I'm just speculating. Thanks for responding and the explanation.

JohnsonGreg

You definitely need to get a good complete translation of the birth record that @hehesani63 posted. I clearly see the name Emerentia Traud( in) in the third line (carried over into the fourth line). The record is too difficult and confusing to me but there are excellent volunteers on this site who can make some sense of it.

William Farrell_1

Thanks, I'll do request a translation. I have the record and will post it.