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brinleydoug
brinleydoug ✭
April 16, 2020 edited April 23, 2020 in Social Groups
Where is this place?

I am following the family of Nils Olsson (b1777) and his wife Anna Nilsdotter (b1774) in Karlskoga, Orebro. The last clerical survey I have for them they are all crossed out with the notice they went to a place I can't read. It looks like Nyfened or Nysened. Does that sound familiar? Is it a farm or another parish?

Also in this last record they have some people besides their dotter and two sons listed with their family but I can't determine the relationship.

The record I am looking at is:

ArkivDigital: Karlskoga (T) AI:15 (1811-1815) Image: 212 Page: 202. That's Utterback, Karlskoga, Orebro.

Thanks for any help you can give me.

Geri

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  • Heidi Kuosmanen
    Heidi Kuosmanen ✭✭✭
    April 17, 2020

    Family moved to Nysund after 6 March 1814 (another parish)

     

    widow Maria Carlsdotter b. 1724 dies after 7 July 1811 is a mother-in-law

    maid Brita Larsdotter, no known relationship

     

    Bergman Magnus Björsson and his family moved into this house after Nils Olsson's family had moved away.

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  • brinleydoug
    brinleydoug ✭
    April 20, 2020

    Just curious. How can you tell the Bjorsson family moved into Utterback after the Nils Olsson and his family left? I don't see any moving in and out dates here. And Maria Carlsson's record said "Dod" but didn't give a date, but you have one. Did you go to the death records and look her up?

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  • brinleydoug
    brinleydoug ✭
    April 20, 2020

    Concerning that record after the name Nils Olsson and his wife anna Nilsdotter it also recorded something like "hjuf Son" Anders Andersson (b1800 in ditto--same as Anna's ?) and Hjufdots Anna Andersson (b1802 Ditto). What is their relationship and the ditto refers to the same place Anna was from. Where is that?

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  • Heidi Kuosmanen
    Heidi Kuosmanen ✭✭✭
    April 20, 2020

    From the dates when people took part in the holy communion, I can tell you about times when people moved in or out.

    Nils Olsson and Anna Nilsdotter took part last time at 6 March 1814 and Mangnus Björsson's family took part first time at 28 Aug 1814.

     

    Maria Carlsson took part last time 7 July 1811. After that she died. It does not say when, but you know the date when she definitely was still alive. She might have been unable (too sick) to part take for some time, she did not part take at 20 Oct 1811, but most likely she died within a year or two. So this narrows those years which you need to search from death records.

    Nils Olsson family

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  • Heidi Kuosmanen
    Heidi Kuosmanen ✭✭✭
    April 20, 2020

    Styfson and styfdotter means stepson and stepdaughter, so Anders Andersson b.1800 and Anna Andersdotter b.1802 are from Anna Nilsdotter's first marriage with some Anders and they are step children to Nils Olsson.

    Yes ditto means same and in this it is the same birth place as Anna Nilsdotter has and that place is Hidinge (parish).

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  • brinleydoug
    brinleydoug ✭
    April 23, 2020

    Brilliant! I should have thought of checking those communion dates. Thanks.

    Now I have another question. I've learned that the Nils Olsson I've been tracking for weeks is the wrong one. (yes, sad!) I am attacking it from another direction. I have a death record from An Ancestry.org search of a Nils Olsson (bMay 1777 in Orebro). The death record for Qvistbro, Orebro says a Pehr Olsson, died June 3, 1861. This is a long shot but I'm trying to track this one going backward. The record says, after his name, what looks like Beusas,f Torpar. I can't find a farm named Beusas and I thought Torpar was a vocation. Is it a place?

    What do you think?

    Geri

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  • Heidi Kuosmanen
    Heidi Kuosmanen ✭✭✭
    April 23, 2020

    That death record says that Pehr Olsson from Torp of Bellsås

    here: https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0002435_00111

    Born in Knista at ? May 1777

    Previous book with his wife:

    https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0002433_00102

     

    Between these two records I have not looked. I leave it to you to sort out if this birth record is right :)

     

    Only one Pehr Olsson born in Knista that year 1777. (Peter b. 28 Nov 1777 to parents Olof Ersson and Maria Pärsdotter from Hidinge by) https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0002031_00166

    Hidinge was first under Knista and then it separated

    This family can be found from Hidinge:

    https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0002038_00053

    https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0002039_00038

    https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0002040_00061

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  • Heidi Kuosmanen
    Heidi Kuosmanen ✭✭✭
    April 23, 2020

    I read your question again. Why you look death record of Pehr Olsson if you are searching for Nils Olsson?

     

    What information you have on Nils Olsson what you know that is correct and you are using as a starting point?

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