Translation help needed of the attached Schweiz, Katholische and Reformiert Kirchenburcher 1418-1996
Could someone translate this attached Schweiz, Katholische and Reformiert Kirchenburcher 1418-1996. I am looking for the name of the daughter of Melchoir Welt and Anna Susanna Gunthard, baptized 24 December 1840
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FYI: You didn't attach an image or a link to the image.
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Attaching images seems to be impossible right now due to some technical problem. So you should include a link - and - mention the parish (I know, Schweiz, Katholische and Reformiert Kirchenburcher 1418-1996, is the standard link given by familysearch - but this is absolutely useless!). If e.g. the church record is from canton Bern, records at familysearch cannot be opened from home - but records at the Bern State Archive can.
Also consider to post your query in the Switzerland group: https://community.familysearch.org/de/group/185-switzerland-research.
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FYI: I tried to find the record you were asking about in the Family Search database Schweiz, Katholische and Reformiert Kirchenburcher 1418-1996 using the information you provided in your request with no success.
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Hello @BarlowBruceLynn1,
I found the record you are asking about here:
Unfortunately due to platform issues in the community, this link will likely not work until a moderator "fixes" it.
I am unable to view this image at home. The image can be viewed at a local FamilySearch center. Based on the FamilySearch indexing of this record, apparently there was no name recorded for the child in this record. FamilySearch indexers are usually very precise in indexing records and if there had been a name, it would have been record in the indexed abstract.
Attn: @WSeelentag: The father's surname is "Melchior Welti" and the mother is "Susanna Günthard" in this record and the record is from Kilchberg, Zürich, Schweiz. It can be found in the Schweiz, Katholische and Reformiert Kirchenburcher 1418-1996 on FamilySearch. The child (FS ID: GFMX-TF8) is identified as female and her name as "Unknown".
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I can view the image at home and will add to the information @Robert Seal_1 has already provided about the baptism record. I have a little bit of experience transcribing German and this is what I read:
Nahme: Ein todt gebornes? [stillborn] Töchterl[ein?] [daughter]
Eltern: Melchior Welti, in Adlisweil
Susanna geb. Günthard
Heimatsort und Zeit: Enge? Adlisweil
geboren 24 Decbr. [1840]
Taufzeugen: blank
Source: Kilchberg ZH, Taufregister, year 1840, page 159, entry #80.
If this link works, I think some (but not all) members of Community should be able to view the baptism image from home:
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Two technical comments first:
If including a link (and this is new) you have several format options: there is a small selection window … chose the "-" (first from left) "display as text" … and the URL won't be messed up.
If it has messed up, you can fix the link yourself, following the rules on https://www.w3schools.com/tags/ref_urlencode.ASP: replace "%3A" with ":" and "%3D" with "-" (note that the latter is wrong on the page I quoted) - in the case in question, the correct link would be https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6F8H-WTDM.
Now on the question:
Unfortunately for canton Zürich (apart from the city of Zürich) there is no alternative to visiting a Family History Centre.
Kilchberg is not an "old" (since before 1800) place of citizenship for Welti. There are several lines, however, gaining citizenship of Kilchberg in 1879 or later. A family had to live in a community first for a while, before asking for citizenship. Most likely the family in question will be the one of 1879 - originally from Adliswil ZH (which would need to be proven).
Günthardt (the likely correct spelling - but before 1876 this was not treated as strict as today) have been citizens of both, Adliswil and Kilchberg, since before 1800. It would be most interesting to see both, the original baptismal entry as well as the marriage entry of the parents: there usually the place of citizenship will be listed … most helpful for any further research.
No child's name? This would likely indicate that the child died very shortly after birth … in which case usually something like "Söhnlein" (indicating a male child) would show up in the record. Not being a name this may have been omitted in the index entry. Conclusion: indices are useful for finding an entry - but never rely on if without checking the original!
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@Debra Palmer01: you are too fast for me 🙂 !
Your corrected URL would be (I hope) https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSLN-WSH8-P?view=index&personArk=/ark:/61903/1:1:6F8H-WTDM&action=view … doesn't work for me at home of course.
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Hello @WSeelentag,
Thanks for the information about fixing a link copied in FamilySearch.
But where do I find the "small selection window"?
Thank you, Robert Seal_1
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Hello again @WSeelentag,
I found the "small selection window" and now know where to select "display as text". Thank you very much!
Sincere regards, Robert Seal_1
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As it may help other readers - on http://www.seelentags.de/delete/fs-URL.jpg (as images at the moment cannot be uploaded here) there is a screenshot: once an URL is entered, this small window pops up underneath, where the "-" needs to be selected.
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Thanks — very helpful!
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@WSeelentag here is your image.
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@Maile L: Do I interpret correctly that you (or other moderators) can upload images - just "we" cannot do so (for the time being)?
Thank you for your efforts - and good to know for others! I have "my" solution for myself - upload to my own server and just link to the image. What have members (without this possibility) to do to have someone to upload their images?
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Some mods have the ability to upload images. I have been told that the image issue is being worked on, but I have no idea how long it will be until the fix occurs. I have not heard about any work-arounds for this problem. My mod rights end in a few days, but I try to help where I can.
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