Swedish Translation Help Needed, Järbo Parish 1693
On Film # 004443021 image 130 in 1693 my ancestor and his brother are named: Anders Jonsson and Asmund Jonsson. Would you mind translating the record? I have no idea what it is or says! https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DT33-CSL?i=129&cc=1978773&cat=349583 I have a marriage for Asmund Jonsson in 1707 or 1708 depending on whether you look in Järbo or Råggärd Parish! His PID is MTNK-LFM. I'm wondering if that is a second marriage.
I really appreciate the help. Fortunately it is not a very long record!
Joellen McAlister
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Concerning Arvid Jonsson (fam 9 in Y. Skällsäter), the book says he is not named with a wife and children in Y. Skällsäter. He was the owner there, but probably lived outside of the parish.
There is a marriage record for Arvid Jönsson and widow Karin Erichsd(otter) on 3 p. Trinity 1732 (18 June 1732) at Ytt. Shiällsäter (same pronunciation as Skällsäter). The groom and bride were from the same place. That record is here: .
The cost of the marriage was 30 lo(d) of silver for the marriage. 1 lod = 13.6 grams (just under 1/2 ounce). See here: See the handout from a FamilySearch Library Class on Swedish Money. Search for "lod".
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Looking in the Mantalslängder (Census) for 1732 in Järbo the farms Skiällesätter and Skällesätter are listed as separate farms. I will attach a copy of the marriage I referenced earlier. The Census shows an Arvwid Jönsson living at Skiällesätter who is not married. I am not totally convinced that it is not your Arvid Jönsson in the marriage record. The farm book says where Arvid was not living but doesn't give his residence-so he may have been living at Skiällesätter instead. I will also attach an image of the 1732 census record.
It won't let me attach images so I will try to attach the links again.
Looking in the Mantalslängder (Census) for 1732 in Järbo, the farms Skiällesätter and Skällesätter are listed as separate farms. I will attach a copy of the marriage I referenced earlier. The Census shows an Arvwid Jönsson living at Skiällesätter who is not married. I am not totally convinced that it is not your Arvid Jönsson in the marriage record. The Järboadeln book says where Arvid was not living but doesn't give his residence-so he may have been living at Skiällesätter instead. As far as his age, the book doesn't give that (that I can see), so you know more about that than me. I will also attach an image of the 1732 census record.
It won't allow me to attach images so I will try the links again.
Marriage:
Census:
The image concerning Sven Jönsson in St. Torp on 4 p. Trinity is a death record. It gives his age as 70 years old.
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The link you have provided is to the Accounts part of the parish book. It looks like Anders and Asmund donated 16 öre on 16 April 1693. See this article in the FamilySearch Wiki for Swedish money: .
As to whether the marriage is a first or second one, there is not enough information in the sources to tell. There is a book on the history of the farms for Järbo parish in the FamilySearch Library in Salt Lake City. I will be there on Tuesday and Wednesday of this week and will look for the book and forward any information I can find on the family to you. The book is "Järboadeln, folk och gårdar under 300 år".
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Thank you, Norm! Do you think the money they donated was connected to a marriage? I wonder why they donated together.
I actually bought the book, Järboadeln when I made a trip to Sweden. If you have time to look at page 486 at the bottom left, there is information about another brother, Arvid Andersson. I've tried google translate, but it's a little bit iffy! The bold title above it is Lägersmål, Valbo härad, 1653. I haven't found much about him except it says on family 9 that he isn't shown with a wife there.
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I'm confused! In the book, Järboadeln page 486, family 4, it says Arvid Jönsson's father is Jön Svensson who was born in 1627 and died 1709. Wouldn't his son, Arvid, have been pretty old to marry in 1732 for the first time? I haven't known where to look for him since family 9 says he owned the property during 1732-1741 but his wife and children aren't found there.
On another note in 1732 it says something about Sven Jönsson in St. Torp on 4 past Trinity. What does this record say? https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DT33-XKM?i=329&cc=1978773 Also, I couldn't get the link you sent me to open so I have to use familysearch links, I guess. (I may have too many windows open!)
Thank you for your patience in helping me find these records.
Joellen
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Thank you, Norm! It's been a very long time since I saw a census other than the clerical surveys. I can't read all of the notes, but I attached it to him.
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