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Is this right transcription of 1662 Alsace burial record? Missing 1 word.

Tom Randolph
Tom Randolph ✭✭
March 7 edited March 7 in Social Groups

This appears to refer to the death of both twins who were baptized a week earlier on 16 Apr, so the word 'gekied' I can't identify seems to refer to their 8-day age or maybe to the duration of their lives? Any suggestions? Thanks as always!

Mitwoches den 23. Aprilis wurde Simon Rothen deß Wagners 2 8 tage gekied? beider kindlein begraben.

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Transcription

:Anno 1662. [heading from preceding page]

:4. / 5.

:Mitwoches den 23. Aprilis wurde Simon Rothen deß Wagners 2 8 tage gekied? beider kindlein begraben.

:Note: 23 Apr 1662 in the Julian calendar was a Wednesday, and converts to 3 May 1662 in the Gregorian calendar. The death date was likely the 2 or 3 May 1662.

 Translation

:Year 1662. [heading from preceding page]

:Entry no.: 4. / 5.

:Wednesday the 23 April [Julian calendar] the 2 8-day old little children of Simon Roth the Wagonmaker were buried.

Source: Archives d’Alsace; Archives Départementales du Bas-Rhin; Lampertheim - Registres Paroissiaux (Avant 1793) - Paroisse protestante et catholique (Avant 1793) - Registre de baptêmes mariages sépultures 1634-1680 - 3 E 256/2; https://archives.bas-rhin.fr/detail-document/ETAT-CIVIL-C255-P21-R164334#visio/page:ETAT-CIVIL-C255-P21-R164334-1286420; Image 83 of 90

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  • Ulrich Neitzel
    Ulrich Neitzel ✭✭✭✭✭
    March 7 Answer ✓

    @Tom Randolph

    I read this as: ... deß Wagners 2. 8-tagige Kind beider Kindlein ...

    meaning "the second 8 days old child of both small children", so probably the last born twin died.

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  • Ulrich Neitzel
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    March 7 edited March 7 Answer ✓

    @Tom Randolph

    Sounds very reasonable. Still, in that case the phrase "...Kind beider Kindlein.." sounds awkward - maybe the reading is not yet fully correct...

    Edit: record 9 on the same page seems to have the same word; it may be "Kindbetterkindlein", i.e. a newborn child. There is an entry "chindbetterchindli" in a Swiss dictonary (https://digital.idiotikon.ch/idtkn/id3.htm#!page/30347/mode/1up). That is basically the same word in Swiss German.

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  • Tom Randolph
    Tom Randolph ✭✭
    March 7 edited March 7 Answer ✓

    @Ulrich Neitzel : but further down the same page, #13 seems to spell it Kindbeoter kindlin. What do you make of that?

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  • Ulrich Neitzel
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    March 7 Answer ✓

    @Tom Randolph

    Apparently the same word is also found on the opposite page for #8 (1663), #3 (1664), #4 (1665). It looks sometimes slightly different, but I am quite sure that it always means "newborn". It may be "Kindbettenkindlein", would be the better German ending.

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  • Tom Randolph
    Tom Randolph ✭✭
    March 7

    Thank @Ulrich Neitzel, I see now how tagige is used. Will use this interpretation and continue looking for evidence of the fate of the 1st twin.

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  • Tom Randolph
    Tom Randolph ✭✭
    March 7 edited March 7

    @Ulrich Neitzel, I forgot to note that the entry is labeled '4. 5.' (and the one before is #3 and after is #6) so actually appears to be the record for 2 deaths, not 1. Given the double entry numbers, would you agree that it makes more sense as '2 children of both small children'?

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  • Tom Randolph
    Tom Randolph ✭✭
    March 7

    @Ulrich Neitzel : Thanks for good explanation!

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