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June661
June661 ✭
October 18, 2023 in Social Groups

I have a document involving an ancestor and the guardianship of his children of deceased wife.

Here is the link to view document:

https://numerique.banq.qc.ca/patrimoine/details/52327/3417331

Any help would translating would be fantastic......and perhaps help me find out if the children lived into adulthood....

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  • lindastowemiller
    lindastowemiller ✭✭✭
    October 18, 2023 Answer ✓

    Godmother of Julie (born 1754) was Louise Bourbonnaise, who signed the register (which is kind of unusual for that time period).

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  • lindastowemiller
    lindastowemiller ✭✭✭
    October 18, 2023

    My French and handwriting deciphering skills aren't up to the whole document, but I poked around. Some or all of this you probably already know.

    Raymond and Genevieve had at least two daughters: Marie Genevieve Calmet b 3 oct 1753, and Julie Calmet, born 3 sep 1754, both baptized at Chambly. I couldn't find any later records of them.

    On 4 oct 1756 in Chambly, Raymond Calmet-Jolibois, widower of Genevieve Carry, married Marie Catherine Choiniere-Sabourin. They had several children who lived to adulthood and married. That marriage predates this arrangement; they had the children after the document. At least one family tree in Ancestry.com shows a daughter of Genevieve Carry and Raymond Calmet-Jolibois to have married Pierre Gaboury, but that is not correct. It is Marie Calmet, daughter of Raymond and his second wife, Catherine Choiniere-Sabourin.

    Raymond was from France. They were a Metis couple, since he married a Native American.

    The linked document is really tough - I think. Year looks like 1763 but even that is hard to read. I see Joseph Sabourin referenced, could be the father of the second wife, but can't be sure. Sorry I can't help more. Not sure why they would be doing it at that time.

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  • June661
    June661 ✭
    October 18, 2023 edited October 18, 2023

    Thank you for looking....yes some of the info I am familiar with. Curious about the document being after the marriage with Sabourin.

    I could barely make out Joseph Sabourin name( Marie Catherine father)

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  • lindastowemiller
    lindastowemiller ✭✭✭
    October 18, 2023

    You probably already know other children born to Raymond and Marie Catherine, in addition to the 1757 Marie Catherine:

    • Marie Catherine, born 21 mar 1764, bapt at Chambly
    • Marie Agathe, born 2 jun 1766, bapt at Chambly
    • Marie, born 1 dec 1768, bapt at Chambly.
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  • June661
    June661 ✭
    October 18, 2023 edited October 29, 2023

    Where did you get Louise Bourbonnais? From the document? Omgosh.....more clues!

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  • lindastowemiller
    lindastowemiller ✭✭✭
    October 18, 2023 edited October 18, 2023
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    Parish Record - Chambly (St. Joseph), 1754, from Drouin Institute.

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  • lindastowemiller
    lindastowemiller ✭✭✭
    October 18, 2023

    Godfather is Francois Lavoix.

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  • lindastowemiller
    lindastowemiller ✭✭✭
    October 18, 2023

    My question is why did Raymond Calmet-Jolibois come to Chambly from France? He wasn't part of the Carignan Regiment, that I can see.

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  • June661
    June661 ✭
    October 18, 2023 edited October 18, 2023
    Historical Society of the Lordship of Chambly


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    What happened to Indian Geneviève Caris?

    This young Indian from the Panisse nation, a slave in the service of Commander Pierre-Jacques Daneau de Muy (1695-1758), found herself in Chambly around 1751, arriving undoubtedly following the displacement of her master. Indeed, Daneau de Muy had been commander of Fort Detroit in 1725 and at Fort Saint-Joseph (Michigan). Moreover, he returned to the Detroit in 1754 to stay there until 1758 when he died.

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  • June661
    June661 ✭
    October 18, 2023

    https://www.histoireseigneuriechambly.org/2019/04/10/quest-il-arrive-a-lindienne-genevieve-caris/

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  • June661
    June661 ✭
    October 18, 2023

    Throughout the fall of 1746 de Muy’s detachment kept the American frontier uneasy. The year 1747 found him transferred to the Montreal region, where he commanded first at Prairie-de-la-Madeleine (Laprairie, Que.) then later in the year at Lac des Deux-Montagnes. In the following year he was promoted captain. From 1752 to 1754 he was commandant of Fort Chambly, during which time he was granted a seigneury on the east side of Lake Champlain.

    Excerpt from:

    http://www.biographi.ca/en/bio/daneau_de_muy_jacques_pierre_3E.html

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  • lindastowemiller
    lindastowemiller ✭✭✭
    October 18, 2023

    thank you!!!!

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