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Danish translation of "notes" in a church record

kbull40
kbull40 ✭
August 16, 2023 edited August 16, 2023 in Social Groups

Hello

I am trying to translate two church records from 1863 & 1877 Denmark. Each has additional notes that I believe will help be get through a brick wall. Is there anyone who has a connection to a translator for church records from Denmark?

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  • Niels Just Rasmussen
    Niels Just Rasmussen ✭✭✭
    October 13, 2023

    Census 1870: København. Østebrogade Matr No. 425. Gade No. 39.

    Amalie Fredrika Caroline Bretzner Kvinde 35 1835 Ugift Huusmoder

    Lovisa Thomine Jacobine Hartmann Kvinde 20 1850 Ugift Tjenestetyende

    Fredrik Wilhelm Foroni Camitz Mand 7 1863 Ugift Børn og Kostgængere

    Albert Alexander Camitz Mand 6 1864 Ugift Børn og Kostgængere

    Source: https://www.danishfamilysearch.dk/cid22286031

    NB: So we have two Camitz children both in foster care!


    The father seems to be Johan Vilhelm Camitz from Sweden [written Sverig in the confirmation].


    Census 1880:

    Namn: Camitz, Johan Wilhelm

    Hemförsamling: Klara rote 2

    Hemort: Svalan N:o 4

    Kontrakt: Stockholm

    Län: Stockholms stad

    Födelseår: 1821

    Födelseförsamling: Finnerödja Örebro län

    Yrke: Bruksägare f.d.

    Civilstånd: Gift

    Kön: Man

    Famstkod: Far/man

    Familj nr1

    Sida99

    Rad11

    Om hushållet

    Personer i hushållet

    Fam. nr 1:

    Camitz, Johan Wilhelm, f. 1821 i Finnerödja Örebro län, Bruksägare f.d.

    Christjernin, Apollonia Augusta Aimée, f. 1821 i Uddevalla Göteborgs och Bohus län

    Olga, f. 1853 i Finnerödja Örebro län

    Fam. nr 2:

    Pettersson, Hilma Charlotta, f. 1854 i Svenljunga Älvsborgs län, Tjänarinna

    Fam. nr 3:

    Nilsson, Anna Margareta, f. 1837 i Kristdala Kalmar län, Kokerska

    Fam. nr 4:

    Åberg, Ida, f. 1864 i Södertälje Stockholms län, Tjänsteflicka

    Source: https://sok.riksarkivet.se/fritext?Sokord=johan+vilhelm+camitz&EndastDigitaliserat=true&AvanceradSok=True&PageSize=100&page=1&postid=Folk_117293286&tab=post

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  • kbull40
    kbull40 ✭
    October 19, 2023

    This is interesting. Is it possible that Fredrich and Albert are biological sons of Johan Camitz but they were born to Amalie out of wedlock? I can not find any evidence that Amalie and Johan were married.

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  • Niels Just Rasmussen
    Niels Just Rasmussen ✭✭✭
    October 28, 2023 edited October 28, 2023

    Begravelsesprotokoller:

    Name: Frederik Vilhelm Faroni Camits.

    Død: 15-03-1889

    Alder: 27 år

    Køn: Mand

    Civilstand: Ugift

    Erhverv: Boghandlerkommis (Boghandlercommis)

    Adresse: Kalkbrænderivej 19

    Dødsårsager: Hængning, Tungsind (Tungsindighed, Anfald af tungsind)

    Fra (kapel) Assistens Kirkegård, - Kapel, Lighus, Ligkapel, AssKap

    Sogn: Sankt Jakob (Sankt Jacob)

    Til (kirkegård): Sankt Petri Assistens (Skt. Petri Assistens)

    Source: https://kbharkiv.dk/brug-samlingerne/soeg-i-indtastede-kilder/post/1-161011

    NB: So he hanged himself, the cause is suspected to be depression.


    Found his probate.

    It said he was a lodger with his ?Tante? "Frøken Bretzner" at Kalkbræderivej 19, 3. sal.

    Source (page 210, nr. 678): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=21953913#437812,79208483

    NB: If it says Tante = Aunt! There is nothing to inherit, so no inheritors are listed.


    Politiets Mandtaller 1. November 1888.

    Kalkbrænderivej 19, 3. sal.

    Amalie Bretzner. 54 years. Born Stockholm. Frøken [= unmarried].

    [Frederik Vilhelm] Faroni Camitz. 26 years. Born: Kjøbenhavn. Bogholder.

    Source (page 36): https://kildeviser.kbharkiv.dk/#!?collection=2&item=6188714


    So the two Camitz boys were in foster care with their aunt in 1870.


    Census 1870: København. Østebrogade Matr No. 425. Gade No. 39.

    Amalie Fredrika Caroline Bretzner Kvinde 35 1835 Ugift Huusmoder

    Lovisa Thomine Jacobine Hartmann Kvinde 20 1850 Ugift Tjenestetyende

    Fredrik Wilhelm Foroni Camitz Mand 7 1863 Ugift Børn og Kostgængere

    Albert Alexander Camitz Mand 6 1864 Ugift Børn og Kostgængere

    Source: https://www.danishfamilysearch.dk/cid22286031


    As Amalie Bretzner was unmarried (and thus still have her maiden name), then the mother of the two Camitz children must have been a sister of Amalie Brentzner!


    Johan Wilhelm Camitz is married to another woman in the Swedish census of 1880, which they have a child born 1853. So the two children in census 1870 must have been born out-of-wedlock!

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  • Niels Just Rasmussen
    Niels Just Rasmussen ✭✭✭
    October 28, 2023

    Census 1880: København. Kalkbrænderivej 19, 3. sal.

    Amelie Fredrica Bretzner. Musiklærerinde.

    Wilhelm Frederik Forani Camitz. Logerende.

    Albert Alexander Camitz. Logerende.

    Source: https://www.danishfamilysearch.dk/cid11337743


    Census 1885: København. Kalkbrænderivej 19, 3. sal.

    Only Amelie Bretzner and Wilhelm Frederik Forani Camitz still living there!

    Source (page 23): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=254081#254081,47665773


    Begravelsesprotokoller.

    Navn: Frederika Amalie Caroline Bretzner.

    Død: 04-12-1907

    Alder: 73 år

    Køn: Kvinde

    Civilstand: Ugift

    Erhverv: Frøken (Frk.)

    Adresse: Nøjsomhedsvej (Østerbro) 7

    Dødsårsager: Morbus cordis chron. (Morbus chron. cordis, Mb. cord. chron.)

    Fra (kapel): Assistens Kirkegård, - Kapel, Lighus, Ligkapel, AssKap

    Sogn: Sankt Jakob (Sankt Jacob)

    Til (kirkegård): Assistens Kirkegård

    Source: https://kbharkiv.dk/brug-samlingerne/soeg-i-indtastede-kilder/post/1-254224


    Landsover- samt Hof- og Stadsretten, Københavns Skiftekommission

    Hvidebog.

    "Frøken Amelie Fredrika Carolina Bretzner, ugift, boende Nøjsomhedsvej 5, 2. sal, den 4. December 1907 er afgaaet ved Døden, skal jeg oplyse, og i henhold til hendes for Notarius oprettede Testamente af 11. Juli 1894, vil behandle hendes Bo, som "executor testamenti".

    Source (page 157, nr 677): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=21803610#417693,37856783

    NB: So she made a will in 1894! I have not been able to find it online.


    Albert Alexander Camitz leaves for USA in 1891.


    Navn: Camitz, Alb. A. Stilling: Farver

    Alder: 28 Bestemmelsessted: NY.

    Kontrakt nr.: 129200 Forevisningsdato: 3/6/1891

    Fødested: ? Fødesogn: ?

    Sidste oph.sogn: ? Sidste oph. amt: - Amerika

    Sidste oph.sted: Amerika Bestemmelses land: USA

    Bestemmelses by: New York City Bestemmelses stat: New York State

    Skibsnavn: Indirekte

    IDkode: I9091C2016


    Fredrika Amalia Carolina Bretzner

    Birth Date 17 May 1834

    Event Type Baptism

    Event Date 01 Jun 1834

    Event Place Klara, Stockholm, Sverige

    Page 175

    Piece/Folio CIb

    Volume 8

    Source: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QV3S-R2GR

    &

    Född: 17. Maj 1834.

    Dop: 1. Juni 1834 i Klara Församling (Stockholm, Sverige).

    Namn: Fredrika Amalia Carolina [Bretzner].

    Far: Snörmakaremästaren Carl Abraham Bretzner.

    Mor: hustru Fredrika Albertina Schmidt. 20 År.

    ?Gamla? Orgelpipan 3.

    Source (bild 132/ sida 174): https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0056124_00132#?c=&m=&s=&cv=131&xywh=340%2C217%2C8751%2C4709

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  • Niels Just Rasmussen
    Niels Just Rasmussen ✭✭✭
    October 28, 2023

    Klara kyrkoarkiv, Husförhörslängder, SE/SSA/0010/A I/63 (1835).

    Orgelpipane.

    Snörmakare: Carl Abraham Bretzner. ?3/6 1812?

    Hustru: Frederika Alberta. 3/11 1813.

    Dotter: Fredrika Amalia Carolina. 17/5 1834.

    Dotter: Jenny Maria Charlotta. 30/6 1835

    Source (bild 120 / sida 226): https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0055983_00120#?c=&m=&s=&cv=119&xywh=-1309%2C1830%2C6105%2C3242

    &

    So there is a little sister "Jenny Maria Charlotta" born 30. June 1835 and baptised 19. July 1835 in Klara.

    Source (bild 145/ sida 200, bottom right): https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0056124_00145#?c=&m=&s=&cv=144&xywh=2170%2C3040%2C7292%2C3924

    NB: That little sister could potentially be the mother of the Camitz boys.

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  • Niels Just Rasmussen
    Niels Just Rasmussen ✭✭✭
    October 28, 2023

    Den Kongelige Fødsels- og Plejestiftelse

    Hovedprotokoller for filialerne (afdeling B).

    Barnets Nummer: 8685b

    Moderen Nummer: 8347b

    Moderens Alder: [not recorded]

    Født: 12. Marts 1862 ved Fødselsstiftelsen.

    Døbt: 12. Juni 1862.

    Navn: Frederik Wilhelm Forani Camitz.

    Ifølge Begjæring fra Barnets Fader Br..?-Patron Johan Wilhelm Camitz (Heelbroder til 9247b/1863) er Binavnet Camitz føjet til, saa at ?Navnet? er Frederik Wilhelm Forani Camitz. Forani er et Fornavn.

    Moderen (?Amelie?) født i ?Vandiouvre ved Genf.? [= Vandœuvres a "Canton of Geneve" in Switzerland ?]

    Døbt af Pastor Schmidt efter ?konfession/konfirmation? med stiftsprovst Paulli. [So why did the priest over Fødselsstiftelsen have to consult his superior?]

    Source (page 58, bottom): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16415216#421422,38915

    NB: Pastor Lauritz Heinrich Schmidt was the priest at Frederiks Hospital (including Fødselsstiftelse).

    Stiftsprovst Just Henrik Voltelen Paulli was beside being the provost, also priests at Vor Frue Kirke in Copenhagen.

    So the two Camitz boys are helbrødre [so both parents are the same].


    Den Kongelige Fødsels- og Plejestiftelse

    Hovedprotokoller for filialerne (afdeling B).

    Barnets Nummer: 9247 [Should be 9247b]

    Moderens Nummer: 8917B, 27 Aar gammel.

    Født: 10. Marts 1863 ved Fødselsstiftelsen.

    Døbt: 17. Marts 1863.

    Navn: Albert Alexander ?Vosselerer? Camitz. [would this crossed out name be the mothers name?]

    Heelbroder til 8685b/1862.

    Source (page 86): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16415216#421422,38943

    NB: Vosseler is a quite common name in Switzerland.

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  • Niels Just Rasmussen
    Niels Just Rasmussen ✭✭✭
    October 28, 2023 edited October 28, 2023

    Probate: [doesn't seem to be online after 1841]

    Namn: Bretzner, Karl Abraham

    Yrke: Possessionat

    Hemförsamling: Stockholm

    Årtal: 1875

    Anmärkning: Han ägde andelar i Stora Kopparbergs gruva. [So owns big parts of the mines at Stora Kopperberg]

    Arkiv: Falu rådhusrätt och magistrat (SE/ULA/10239)

    Volym: F 2:48, nr 588

    Register: Bouppteckningsregister - Landsarkivet i Uppsala

    Upprättad av: Landsarkivet i Uppsala

    Source: https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bouppteckningar?Efternamn=bretzner&Lan=Alla&AvanceradSok=False&page=1&postid=Bouppteckningar_B18A8B0C-326F-44F4-BD06-EBD87CA72617-1833B7A7-11A7-41D4-ABA9-22567F306D0D&tab=post#tab


    Jenny Maria Charlotta Bretzner cannot very likely be the mother as she marries Erik Theodor Kraak, the 29/9 1861 in Klara församling (Stockholm).

    Census 1880: Stockholm. Klara. Hästhufvudet N:o 10 och 11

    Kraak, Eric Theodor, f. 1819 i Stockholm, Handlande f.d.

    Bretzner, Jenny Maria Charlotta, f. 1835 i Stockholm

    Gustaf Theodor, f. 1864 i Stockholm

    Agnes Charlotta, f. 1862 i Låssa Stockholms län

    Source: https://sok.riksarkivet.se/folkrakningar?Fornamn=Erik+Theodor+&Efternamn=Kraak&Folk1860=true&Folk1870=true&Folk1880=true&Folk1890=true&Folk1900=true&Folk1910=true&Folk1930=true&AvanceradSok=False&page=1&postid=Folk_118002576&tab=post#tab

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  • kbull40
    kbull40 ✭
    November 2, 2023

    Could this be another sister of Amelia's that might be the mother of these two boys?

    Name Hilda Augusta Carl Abrahamsdotter

    GenderFemale

    Baptism Date 4 Jun 1837)B

    Baptism Place Klara Forsamling, Stockholm, Stockholm, Sweden

    FatherCarl Abraham Bretzner

    Mother Fredrika Albertina Schmiedta

    FHL Film Number77789

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