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LuciaV
LuciaV ✭✭
June 27, 2023 edited October 2, 2024 in Social Groups

Hello everyone. I've made some new discoveries (surprisingly) on my mom's side of my tree. I would like to ask for help, especially with translation. Mostly Hungarian and Latin.

Here is the baptism record of my 2nd GG father Koloman Kišš (4th record from the bottom). I think I can read mostly everything important, I was just wondering about the word following his father's name.

Marriage record for his parents - Jozef Kišš & Juliana Bélik. Again, wondering what is happening after Jozef's name and also where is his wife Juliana from. I read it as Zsehr. - Nagysáró? Can't figure out the "Zsehr" part.

Baptism of Jozef Kišš (2nd page, 6th from the bottom). I think this is my Jozef. Went through the baptism records from 1837 till 1855, he was the only one. His brother Ján, here (2nd page, 2nd from the top). Anything interesting here besides the names of their parents? I see a note on Ján's baptism record.

One generation up with a marriage record for Ján Kišš & Mária Varga (1st page, 5th from the bottom). Can't even figure out the month in this one??

Ján died shortly after the kids were born (2nd page, 6th from the bottom). What happened?

Mária married again (2nd record) and I found 3 children through the recommended records (Juliana, Mária, Katarína) and her spouse Jozef Ballay dying here.


Thanks in advance for the help with translating these records!

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  • Julia Szent-Györgyi
    Julia Szent-Györgyi ✭✭✭✭✭
    June 27, 2023

    The nanny-bot has mangled the URL for the marriage of József Kis and Julianna Bélik. Can you give the film and image number for it?


    6. Born 5, baptized 6 September.

    Child: Colomannus, male, legitimate

    Parents: Josephus Kis, cotter, R.Cath.; Julianna Bélik, R.C.

    Residence: Nagy Tőre No. 30

    Godparents: Josephus Sághi merc. [soldier? merchant?] R.C., Julianna Béres R.C.

    Officiant: the same (Stephanus Toth, adm. [sorry, I'm not spending time figuring out what that means]).


    30. Josef.

    János Kis, Mária Varga, Cath.

    Laborer in N. Sáró.

    Pál Józsa, Borbála Sróda.


    ?4. János.

    János Kis, Maria Varga, Cathol.

    Laborer in N. Sáró.

    Jósef Nov??ád, Borbála Sróda.

    1879 27/9 official baptismal extract issued? ([roughly] district office clerk of N. Sallo). [The remark is half in Latin, half in Hungarian, and I think the right-hand edge of the page is missing at least a few millimeters.]


    St. Andrew's month [=November] 13.

    János Kis, Mária Varga

    Coachman in Nagy Sáró

    Witnesses: Lázár K??? weaver, Mihál Demeter cotter

    Officiant: local parson

    with dismissal

    [There was a thankfully-brief fashion for weird month-names. Translations: https://macse.hu/society/honapoknapok.php]


    Oct. 17.

    János Kis, Maria Varga's husband

    Laborer of N. Sáró

    Age 35 years

    Cause: fever

    Last rites: provided

    Burial: cemetery of N. Sáró


    2. 1852 Feb. 1.

    Josephus Ballay servant, Maria Varga, widow of Joannes Kiss

    Besse, county Bars, Nagy Sáró

    Cath., Cath.

    41, 26

    single, widow

    Witnesses: Joannes Dudás, Michael Demeter, servants

    Officiant: Joannes Csizmazia, parson in N. Sáró

    announced


    22. Born 27th, baptized 28th.

    Julianna, female, legitimate

    Josephus Ballai, Maria Varga, R.C.

    Cattleman in Veszele No. 10

    Joseph. Raczko, Maria Gubik, shepherd, RC


    15. Born 11, baptized 15 August.

    Maria, female, legitimate

    Josephus Balay, servant, Maria Varga, R. Catholics.

    N. Sáró.

    Josephus Németh, Susanna Konta(?)

    Died 4 Oct 1906 Zseli... [probably Zseliz = Želiezovce]


    11. Born 23, baptized 26 May.

    Catharina, female, legitimate

    Josephus Balai, Maria Varga, RC

    Cattleman in Veszele No. 14.

    Joseph. Raczko, Maria Gubick RC


    8. 1882 29th March.

    Josephus Balai, husband of Maria Varga, cotter, RCath.

    Origin: Baracska, residence: Nagy-Sáró No. 77

    male, age said to be 71 years

    Cause: dropsy

    Last rites: provided

    Burial: community cemetery of Nagy-Sáró, 30th March

    Officiant: Franciscus Fehérváry, parson

    Lived in matrimony 30 years: from 1st February 1852.

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  • LuciaV
    LuciaV ✭✭
    June 27, 2023

    Hi, thanks for those translations!

    For the marriage record: Film No. 2389348, image no. 112. The record is from 6 NOV 1870

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  • Julia Szent-Györgyi
    Julia Szent-Györgyi ✭✭✭✭✭
    June 27, 2023

    The nanny-bot's blind search-and-replace changes all occurrences of the letter sequence w t h into asterisks, making it impossible to link to this page, because its ID is LBT6-WT H (minus the space, of course).

    Alternative link (to thumbnail): https://www.familysearch.org/search/film/005225509?i=111&cc=1554443&cat=1371892


    10. 1870 Novemb. 6.

    Josephus Kiss, soldier in the Grand-Prince Michael regiment; Julianna Bélik

    Nagy-Sáró | Zseliz - Nagysáró

    RC

    23, 20

    single

    Josephus Navratil, gardener, Josephus Dudás, servant

    announced


    The name of the regiment is in German, so it uses That Dratted Handwriting -- but luckily just for those words, not for the Latin around them. I can't even imagine the mental gymnastics involved in switching handwriting when switching language like this, but they seem to have taken it for granted.

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  • LuciaV
    LuciaV ✭✭
    June 27, 2023

    Oh c'mon, bot. Even in the links?

    A soldier? Whoa, cool. Any idea if there is something about the regiment he served in? I tried to do some basic googling but I found nothing

    Ah, I always seem to read "li" as a "h". So it's just Želiezovce. Thank you. That helped!

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