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Request for some translation and some ideas

CarolPestone
CarolPestone ✭
March 28, 2023 edited October 2, 2024 in Social Groups

Below I have a few links for something that is a bit of a puzzle.

First, I have a death record for Rezso Baszgolderich and his supposed "wife" Anna Turocsy. In fact, as a few other records show, Rezso Baszgolderich was married to Maria Kozmann.

But Samuel Baszgolderich was married to Anna Turocsy.

FInally there is a subsequent birth record wherein Maria Baszgolderich (apparently born Maria Kozmann) is the mother to Ilona Johanna. No father is mentioned.

Is there any indication on that marriage record about the lack of mention of the father? What does the handwriting at the bottom of that entry say?

Here are the links

https://www.familysearch.org/ark%3A/61903/3%3A1%3A33SQ-GRQY-4SC?i=511&cc=1554443&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AKHH9-N2S
https://www.familysearch.org/ark%3A/61903/3%3A1%3A33S7-9RFB-Q2P5?i=252&cc=1554443&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3A6NMF-YP41

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RQB-NZP?i=245&wc=9P3P-MNL%3A107654301%2C109211501%2C109432901%2C135322501&cc=1554443

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRQB-NJ8?i=300&cc=1554443&cat=693000

Thank you in advance.

Carol Pestone

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  • CarolPestone
    CarolPestone ✭
    March 28, 2023

    Correction. The first record is the birth record of Ilona Johanna. I am wondering about the language at the bottom of that entry.

    Thanks again.

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  • Julia Szent-Györgyi
    Julia Szent-Györgyi ✭✭✭✭✭
    March 28, 2023

    1875

    304. Baptized: May 30

    Officiant: Károly Horvay chaplain

    Child: Ilona Johanna, born 24th, illegitimate

    Parents: Mária Bazgoldrich, place of origin Stosz, Roman Catholic, worker-woman

    Godparents: Nándor Kozman and his wife Ilona

    Residence: Mészáros ("butcher") street 17

    Observations (midwife): Hanisch


    7. Died 21st February 1872

    Deceased: Rezső Baszgolderich glover, husband of Anna Turoczy

    Born: Biala, died: public hospital

    Male, age 36 years

    Cause: phthysis/atrophy (probably tuberculosis)

    Burial: the same place (Kassa's Lutheran cemetery) on 23 February

    Officiant: the same (János Csisko?, pastor)


    1865

    105. ditto (20 August)

    Officiant: Stephanus Lessko chaplain

    Groom: Samuel Baszgolderich, widower, Lutheran, journeyman ??, age 30 years

    Bride: Anna Turoczy, single, of Kassa, RCath, no occupation, age 23 years

    Announcements: 10. 11. Sunday after Pentecost

    ?? B.M.V., groom has certificate of announcement

    Witnesses: Joannes Zaparkansky, Joannes Mitsko

    Residence: Kassa


    1869

    141. Sept. 12.

    Officiant: Napoleon Chrismár, chaplain

    Groom: Rezső Baszgolderich, born in Biala, Galicia, Lutheran, discharged soldier, single, journeyman glover, age 33

    Bride: Maria Kozmann, born in Stoosz in Szepes county, RC, single, age 27

    Announced 3 times, the man brought a certificate of announcement from his own pastor, no obstacles

    Witnesses: Simon Ludwig, Dávid Somsák

    Residence: Kassa

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    It appears that there were two men in Kassa in the 1860s with the surname Baszgolderich, both journeyman craftsmen, both born around 1835-1836, and both Lutheran. Clearly, the death record has an error, either in the given name of the deceased, or in the identification of his wife. I wish I could figure out the groom's occupation in the 1865 marriage, but that entry is in Latin, and I can't even be sure if what's written starts with Scr- or Ser- or something else. (I am certain of sodalis "of a guild, journeyman".)

    Given that I'm certain that both the 1869 marriage and the death record give an occupation of 'glover', and given the later, illegitimate birth record with the mother with the same given name and from the same place as that bride, I'm pretty sure it's the wife that's mis-identified in that death record.

    (Suggestion: never divide the surname between the z and the g. The first four letters are Hungarian for the F word.)

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  • Julia Szent-Györgyi
    Julia Szent-Györgyi ✭✭✭✭✭
    March 28, 2023

    Oh, and an onomastic tidbit: Rezső was created by the neologists as a Hungarianization of Rudolf.

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  • CarolPestone
    CarolPestone ✭
    March 28, 2023

    Well that answers all my questions. I believe the two men were likely brothers. Thank you so much.

    Also, I appreciate the language hints😊

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