Help me to piece this family together please
Hello, writing another chapter for my family history book and trying to wrap my head around this family unit.
· My 5th great-grandmother, Juliana BIELICH, born/baptized on 7 JUN 1807 to parents Ján (Joannes) BIELICH and Katarína (Catharina) KALABA?? (Not sure about the spelling of her last name, this is how it was indexed) from Hradište. Godparents were Michal Debnár and Eva Kňazeje.
· Apart from her, I found these children born to this couple:
o Anna Bielich – 13 OCT 1798, Hradište, godparents: Matej (Mathias) Majtán? and Katarína Lazaricská? of Ješkova Ves
o Jozef (Josephus) Bielich – 20 NOV 1800, Hradište, godparents: Jozef Szaszko? and Anna Závodný
o Anna Bielich – 20 FEB 1806, Hradište, godparents: Ján Lazan and Anna Majtan? Of Ješkova Ves
o Ján Bielich – 3 MAR 1810, Hradište, godparents (finally a match!): Michal Debnár and Eva Kňazeje
o Mária Bielich – 26 OCT 1811, Hradište, godparents: Štefan (Stephanus) Kňazeje and Anna Debnár
o Also POSSIBLY this child named Katarína Bielich – 4 OCT 1803 born to Ján Bielich and Katarína SEGITHA??
She shares a godparent each (Jozef Szaszko and Katarína Lazár) with two of the other kids and would also explain the 5 and ½ years gap between Jozef and Anna. I just don’t know what is happening with the mother’s last name, it doesn’t look even remotely similar.
· I could NOT find a marriage record for Ján and Katarína in the Klíž/Hradište/Ješkova Ves books. Is it possible they got married in Katarína’s village and then came back to (what I assume is Ján’s village) Klíž/Hradište? Cuz I heard the weddings usually took place where the bride came from.
· Could one of these be my 6th great-grandfather Ján? He died on 11 JUN 1812 at 40 y.o. which is making these two the best candidates age wise. One is from Ješkova Ves and one is from Klíž.
· Tried looking for Katarína’s next marriage (she was a widow with small children) and only found a widow Katarína BIELICH marrying here. Could that be her? Weren’t they mostly using maiden names?
· I also found this index. Any idea how to find out more? The FamilySearch Library Lookup usually refuses to help in any way (they say they are not allowed to share and I should come look in person which… Yeah cannot do, there is not a single one research center here), I only ever got a helpful answer once and it was two baptism records from Labatlan.
So I guess what I’m asking for is… Make this family make sense? Do I have the right people? Parents, siblings, etc. Am I reading all the names correctly? Any detail you see in the attached records that could help me find out more?
Thanks in advance!
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Possibly another child and Catharine's birthplace:
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Before I get into actually looking at stuff, a comment regarding the unhelpful Lookup Service folks: they're wrong. It may be worth arguing with them; point out the totally-equivalent records that are available, and explain that FS's all-or-nothing approach to privacy rule enforcement does not mean that it's all actually restricted. It's an administrative or data-management decision having to do with limited manpower, and it is not the Lookup Service's job to propagate it.
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Thank you so much @Christopher Kovach_1 ! Klátová Nová Ves makes sense. Some other family branches were from there, it's close to Klíž. They probably got married there as well. Shame their records are not available.
@Julia Szent-Györgyi, I tried messaging back every time they dismissed my request asking for at least some basic information, told them a picture isn't necessary (for example last time I only wanted a confirmation of information that's on my ancestor's profile. I had the names, the date... everything apart from a source. Just wanted them to confirm like... Yes, these are correct, go ahead and use them. No answer). I only got an answer a few times (from the same person that was very helpful and even looked up some other info for me), the rest of the times they just ignore me
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I keep going back and forth between Kalaba and Kataba. The 1812 death record for her husband definitely looks like Kalaba.
The 1803 Catharina has place of birth Koloss, while everyone else you found (both before and after) has Hradistye, which makes me suspect that this is a different John Bilich who happens to have also married a Catherine. Of course, the two places are less than a kilometer apart, so maybe my quibble is just that. The fact that the death record says Koloss votes for the latter.
(Neither Ka?aba nor Segitha mean anything in Hungarian. Does Slovak offer any clues?)
The 1814 remarriage may be her, if they were using German-style married names. With the register being in Latin, there's really no way to tell. I notice that it also says Koloss.
Without a marriage record (one that names the parents, or at very least gives birthdates or precise ages), I don't think there's a way to choose between the two Joannes Bielich baptisms. (The answer may well be "neither".)
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Yeah, Ka?aba nor Segitha mean anything in Slovak either. I googled some and Kalaba seems to be used as a last name tho (as opposed to Kataba).
I'm not 100% sure about the 1803 Katarína either, ah but she just fits in between the two children perfectly :D
After Christopher's message, I strongly suspect that Ján and Katarína got married in Klátová Nová Ves and as I mentioned, their records are locked here on the familysearch website and only the baptisms are indexed. So no luck there.
Hmm, so you're saying it may be her even with the name Bielich... I guess I'll put some "maybes" in this chapter of my book.
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