Denmark Odense VorFrue Sogn Birth record
I need help reading this birth record. It is different than any I have come acrossed as not specifying the mother and father. This is a different format. Can someone Decipher number 6 Sara Cathrineiette birth record page 347 and page 370 Thomas Diderick Parents of both of these children. And do a script of what it says. I need to learn. Thankyou
Sara Cahtriniette https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17138179#180695,30677145
Thomas Diderick https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17138179#180695,30677168
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Number 6 first.
Erich Jensen, Frie-Slagter [so a free butcher, meaning he had to right to work as a butcher in Odense, not being in the butchers-guild, which required a special permission], paa Sorte Brd?grd [= Sorte Brødre Gaard], hans Datter Døbt [his daughter baptised]: Sara Cathrinielle. [so the mother's name is not mentioned]
Jomfrun Maria Henriette Jessen, Tolderens [= Customs official] datter, bbr [= bar barnet; carried the child].
Jomfrun Anne Marie ?Sørk?, ?ghs? [?]
Fadderne [Witnesses] var Mons[ieur] Iversen, Mon[sieur] Johannes Bang, Mon[sieur] ?Bissing?, Kramboed-Svende [= Krambod Svende -> so these three "Monsieurs" were all "Secondhandshop guild-journeymen"; a svend in this context is in german "geselle", in english "journeyman" having gone through as an apprentice for a "mester" [master] and acquired a "svende-brev" ["journeyman-letter" = certificate of vocational aptitude]
A woman is called "jomfrue" [= virgin] is she has a certain social status [in this instance probably her father having "Borgerskab" in Odense, in german Bürgerschaft; it was needed for owning a shop in a "Købstad" (merchant town)]. Without that a woman of lower social status would be called "pige" [= girl].
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Number 13.
S[eigneur] Erich Jensen Slagters Barn Døbt med Navn: Tomas Diderich. [= Seigneur Erich Jensen butchers child baptised with the name: Tomas Diderich]
Rasmus Skræp Skomagers kone bbr [Rasmus Skræp, shoemakers wife, carried the child]
Christ. [short for Christen or Christian] Fransen Holst Skomagers kone ghs [Christen Fransen Holst, shoemakers wife, accompanied; I figured out that "ghs" means "gik hos" = went with].
Faddere var [Witnesses were] Rasmus Skræp, Christ[en/ian] Fransen skomager, Knud Nielsen ??roe?- Smed or Svend?. [I still have troubled with the often creative capital letters and it is for me also a bit unclear if it says "svend" or "smed" = smith]
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Are you saying from this above record that the girl who carried the child means she gave birth to the child but is not the wife of the father Erich Jensen?
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The woman carrying the child is never the mother.
As the mother was not allowed to enter the church until the introduction ritual 40 days after the birth, she couldn't be present at the child's baptism, which should take place within a week of the birth.
Only with a home-baptism - "hjemmedøbt" - (which became allowed for healthy children after 1771) could the mother be present at baptism; and then later the child was presented in the church by the mother.
In neither baptism-record is the mothers name mentioned -> you will have to find the marriage record!
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Very good Thankyou. One other Question if you have time. I got this record from a source of my ancestor
Eric Jensen Malling LQR6-Q9H. I cannot find in any source attached to them when they picked up the name Malling. It makes me wonder if the Eric Jensen in his children birth records is the same person. Any Advice on this.
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Folketælling 1787: Odense Købstad. Sortebrødre Kirkegaard.
Erich Jensen Malling Mand 47 1740 Gift Husstandsoverhoved Slagtermester
Johanne Maria Kragsdatter Kvinde 30 1757 Gift Gift Med Husstandsoverhoved
Ana Lucia Mallings Kvinde 15 1772 Ugift Hans Barn Af Tidligere Ægteskab
Gustavus Andreas Friderich Malling Mand 11 1776 Ugift Hans Barn Af Tidligere Ægteskab
Sara Cathrine Mallings Kvinde 5 1782 Ugift Hans Barn Af Tidligere Ægteskab
Maren Kragsdatter Kvinde 14 1773 Ugift Plejebarn [relative to Johanne Maria?]
Source: https://www.danishfamilysearch.dk/cid607161
So the butcher Erich Jensen from the church book is with 100% certainty the butcher "Erich Jensen Malling" here in the census!
Quite interesting that his two daughters are written in the genitive "Mallings" whereas his son is not (Malling).
You would generally only get a "geographical" surname if you moved away [you wouldn't be named Malling if you still live in Malling)]. So Erich Jensen (or an ancestor) must have come from eastern Jutland.
Malling: https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malling
NB: The census records are what people calls themselves. Whereas what the priest decides being written in the church book becomes the legal name.
Census 1801: Odense Købstad. Sortebrødre Torv.
Johanne Maria Malling [born Krag] Kvinde 44 1757 Enke Husmoder slagter
Caroline Elisabet Kvinde Ugift Hendes datter [= "her daughter", but maybe not Erich Jensen's??]
Anne Cathrine Kvinde 6 1795 Ugift tiltaget barn [child in foster care]
Niels Krag Mand 20 1781 Ugift Tjenestefolk slagtersvend [relative to Johanne Maria?]
Source: https://www.danishfamilysearch.dk/cid1681554
So by 1801 Erich Jensen Malling has died, as Johanna Maria appears as a widow and as "slagter" so she must have taken over her husbands business with help from the possible relative Niels Krag.
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Skifte (probate) 20. Februar 1800 efter borger og slagter Erich Jensen Malling.
Enke Johanne Marie Krag. [widow Johanne Marie Krag]
Børn af forrige ægteskab [children of former marriage - the first wife's name not mentioned]
Søn: Frederik Malling, myndig, borger og slagter her i byen. [of-age, town-citizen and butcher in Odense]
Søn: Tomas Diderik Malling. 14 Aar. Hjemme i boet. [not of age, so his age given. Home with the widow].
Datter: Anna Lucie [Malling]. Tienende i Kjøbenhavn. [Serving in Copenhagen]
Datter: Sara Cathrine Jette Malling, ligesaa u=givt og tienende i Kjøbenhavn. [likewise unmarried and serving in Copenhagen]
Source (page 38, right): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17070872#140410,34486239
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Odense Borgerskabsregister (1707-1785):
Erik Jensen. Slagter. 11/4 1781. Folio 411
Source (page 20): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17129628#174590,29334255
Odense Rådstueprotokol (1761-1785).
Folio 411 (backside)
Erich Jensen, boende her i Odense...ernæret sig af Slagteri...hand fra Kongelige Krigs=Tieneste...erholdt Kongelige Allernaadigst Bevilling 30. Marts 1781...antages som Mester udi Slagter-Lauget i Odense...mødte og begiærede a ?vinde? sit Borgerskab her i Odense...
Source (page 331, left mid): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=20118351#279746,54167986
NB: So in 1781 he is not called Malling!
We don't learn where he is born.
He has been in the army (unclear if as a butcher?)
He has got a Royal Grant to be a butcher 30. March 1781, but has worked as a butcher in the town beforehand.
He has become a Slagter-Mester (Butcher-master) within the Odense Butcher's Guild.
And he then acquires "Borgerskab" (Town-citizenship) within Odense.
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@Niels Just Rasmussen and @Beata Shepard Clifford
I hope Beata has seen the last series of posts -- I did not see a response
Thank you Niels for your excellent help.
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Skifte (probate) 9. maj 1786 i Odense.
..afgangne Hedevig Margaretha Hadesen, slagter Erich Jensen Mallings hustru...[deceased Hedevig Margaretha Hadesen, wife of Erich Jensen Malling]
Son: Gustavus Andreas Frederick Malling.
Son: Tomas Diderick Malling, 3 uger gammel.
Daughter: Anna Lucie, 14 aars gammel.
Daughter: Sara Christine Giette, 4 Aar gammel.
Source (page 88): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=17070872#140394,34483653
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Wow Thank you Neils for all this work and deciphering. It will take me some time to go through all of this information and with it I am trying to learn the language as I compare the original record to your translations. This will take some time to sort out . I really appreciate your help. I hope I can Text you again when needed. Your promptness and knowledge just amazes me. I work at the Family search center as a Service missionary in Ogden and knowing that this community is so helpful I will teach others to use this great community help.
By the way do you teach classes in reading Scandinavian records?
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There are some excellent handwriting lessons available here: https://swedishgenealogyguide.com/learning-center . These lessons will help with all Scandinavian records.
Also, there are a couple of excellent webinars available here: https://www.familysearch.org/en/help/helpcenter/lessons/scandinavian-handwriting
and here: https://www.familysearch.org/en/help/helpcenter/lessons/scandinavian-handwriting-part-3
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Hi Beata.
I'm basically autodidact. I started without any pre-knowledge in 2018 researching my own family from Denmark and Sweden bringing me slowly back in time. I started since both countries had made great strides in putting the material online for free. Then slowly you get more and more proficient in reading the handwriting. So I'm fairly good at ca. 1750-onwards, the period most people can get traced back to (with the help of census' & if the church books survives). I have much less practice in early 1700 and 1600 texts, as fewer family lines can be traced so far back. Yet sometimes you can find such bad handwriting (old priests with arthritis? or someone who doesn't care?) in younger material, that only really trained experts can figure it out.
See for instance these probates from 1840 -> you have two different handwriting styles: Left is very hard to read [I would need help] and right much nicer. https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=21912897#432164,33034953
I found it a good way to improve my skills is in helping others as you get into contact with material I wouldn't otherwise research. The most essential skill is knowing where to look and knowing "the system". For instance probates for Copenhagen and Danish "lægdsruller" (records of rural males that could be drafted as land-soldiers) are basically impossible to use unless you spend the time to learn how the system works.
Also when you know the "standard language and method" of the priests you can more easily guess what it "should say".
Otherwise as Norm says using the handwriting guides can help a lot (I still have problems in identifying some capital letters - they can be pretty weird sometimes).
Cheers (and you can always text me again - I'll try to help when I have the time)
Niels
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great advise. I agree about the more you view and research the documents the better you get at reading them, I am just not at your level and hope to be someday. What I am doing now is taking your translation of that record and learning the wordsbetter, This will be so helpful. The 1700 and earlier are yes so much harder. I just sing your priases though, I have passed along to the patrons I help at the family search center what you have taught me and how to use community. It was apart of our training on Monday. Yes I will call upon you again when I am in a frazzle and frustrated. Thankyou you so much again for you talent.
Sister Beata Clifford
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Need help on the words before Hans Jorgen Pedersen ' name and afte. r I think it is Sattod Mólle, or Sattor. I think this is his birth location but I cannot find what parish it is in. Obvious they are not married because she is still a Pige, maiden. And she is first to be listed as a parent. Any help reading this document would be helpful.
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I am wondering if the description before his name Is saying also. If he is the Father or not.
I found this record one county over from Fodby, this is in Herlufmagle, Tybjerg, Præstø, Denmark. Possibly the same Ingor with her son Jacob the places of birth and ages match Jacobs birth record. I have search Fodby and many other places trying to see if she married Hans Jorgan Pedersen who is on the birth record with no luck. Also I could not find Inger married to this Neils, yet. Its curious and wondered if you could also translate this record. I cannot decipher the place of birth of the father. And the description of the father. I'm searching to see if there is a link between the two records.
Thankyou so much.
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Hi Beata.
First one about Hans Jørgen Pedersen:
"Pigen Inger Marie Jacobsdatter i Fodbye og udlagt barnefader ?..? Hans Jørgen Pedersen, hiemme i ?Saltøe? Mølle".
Girl Inger Marie Jacobsdatter in Fodby and named [by her] father of the child ?..? Hans Jørgen Pedersen, at home in Saltø Mølle.
Must be him here in Census 1834 in Vallensved parish:
Sorø, Øster Flakkebjerg, Vallensved Sogn, Saltøebye Bye, et Huus ved Saltøemølle, 2, FT-1834, B4367
Peder Christiansen 28 Gift Inderste og Arbeidsmand
Anne Kirstine Thomasdatter 38 Gift Hans kone
Karen Hansdatter 13 Ugift Deres barn
Thomas Hansen 10 Ugift Deres barn
Hans Jørgen Pedersen 6 Ugift Deres barn
Source: Dansk Demografisk Database.
Census 1840 the family is in Fodby parish:
Sorø, Øster Flakkebjerg, Fodby Sogn, Bistrup, , 98, FT-1840, B5569
Peder Christensen 34 Gift Inderste, Dagleier
Ane Kirstine Thomasdatter 43 Gift hans Kone
Hans Jørgen Pedersen 12 Ugift deres Barn
Source: Dansk Demografisk Database.
Census 1850 he has come back to Saltø to work at the Saltø Møllegaard [a manor]:
Sorø, Øster Flakkebjerg, Vallensved Sogn, Saltø Møllegaard, , 139, FT-1850, B3865
Christen Hansen 63 Gift Krigscancelliesecretair og Huusfader, Møller Lysabild, Als
Caroline Møller 50 Gift hans kone her i sognet
Christian Nielsen 31 Ugift svigersøn, møllersvend Sørby
Caroline Hansen 29 Gift hans kone her i sognet
Elise v. Jakkelsen 61 Ugift pensionist Aalborg
Hans Jensen 19 Ugift møllerdreng her i sognet
Hans Jørgen Pedersen 22 Ugift tjenestekarl Skjelby
Johan Vallentin 55 Enkemand tjenestekarl Kjøbenhavn
Peder Lars Jensen 13 Ugift tjenestedreng Fodby
Johanne Frederikke Pedersdatter 22 Ugift tjenestepige Kjøbenhavn
Anna Dorthe Jensdatter 22 Ugift tjenestepige Skibbinge
Theodor Galle 5 Ugift pleiebarn Nestved
Anna Marie Pedersdatter 35 Ugift tjenestepige Fodby
Georg Hansen 23 Ugift huusfaders søn, p.t. i krigstjeneste her i sognet
Source: Dansk Demografisk Database.
So we are informed that he is born in Skjelby [=Skelby] Sogn, which is in Tybjerg Herred, Præstø Amt.
Born: 26. January 1829 i Skelby Sogn.
Baptised: 12. April 1829.
Name: Hans Jørgen Peersen [= Pedersen].
Father: indsidder Peer [= Peder] Christensen.
Mother: hustru Stine [Ane Kirstine] Thomasdatter.
Address: Gallehuset.
Source (page 31, nr 2): http://ao.salldata.dk/vis1.php?bsid=429212&side=31
Died: 30. August 1850 in Vallensved Sogn.
Tjenestekarl Hans Jørgen Pedersen i Saltø Mølle.
Age 22 years.
Source: https://www.danishfamilysearch.dk/churchbook/sogn1567/churchlisting137353/opslag14956709
NB: So in Census 1850 [february] he is still listed as unmarried and he is dead by august 1850.
Niels Hansen is from Riisløv [= Rislev] Sogn in Tybjerg Herred, Præstø Amt.
Census 1855:
Præstø, Tybjerg, Herlufmagle Sogn, Gjelsted, Huus, 148 F 1, FT-1855, E2119
Niels Hansen 34 G Indsidder Dagleier Huusfader Rislev Sogn Præstø Amt
Inger Marie Jacobsdatter 30 G Hans Kone Fodby Sogn Sorø Amt
Jacob Hansen 5 U Deres Barn Fodby Sogn Sorø Amt
Hans Nielsen 2 U Deres Barn Rislev Sogn Præstø Amt
Source: Dansk Demografisk Database.
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The census record indicates that both Inger Marie Jacobsdatter and Jacob Hansen were born in Fodby parish in Sorø Amt (county). They are the same people in your birth record above.
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Census 1860: Præstø Amt. Tybjerg Herred. Rislev Sogn.
Peder Jensen Mand 53 1807 Gift Husfader
Kirsten Jensdatter Kvinde 57 1803 Gift Hans kone
Maren Kirstine Pedersdatter Kvinde 23 1837 Ugift Deres barn
Ane Marie Pedersdatter Kvinde 16 1844 Ugift Deres barn
Karen Pedersdatter Kvinde 14 1846 Ugift Deres barn
Jacob Hansen Mand 10 1850 Ugift Deres plejebarn [Born Fodby]
Lars Jensen Mand 72 1788 Enke(mand) Broder til Manden. der forsørger ham
Source: https://www.danishfamilysearch.dk/cid14698702
Confirmed 1864 i Rislev Sogn.
Name: Jacob Hansen af Riisløv.
Søn af pige Inger Marie Jacobsdatter og dragon hos gaardmand Peder Jensen i Riisløv
[So his father Hans Jørgen Pedersen was a dragoon, who worked as a farmhand for Peder Jensen -> the farmer who has taken in Jacob Hansen i the census 1860 above!]
Born: 15. April 1850 i Fodby.
Baptised: 5. Maj 1850.
Vaccineret [vaccinated against smallpox] 25. June 1852.
Kundskab (knowledge of christianity): ug [= udmærket godt; the best grade according to the Ørsted grading system].
Opførsel [behaviour]: meget god [or "mg"; the second highest grade in the Ørsted grading system]
Source (page 5, nr 1): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=21913157#429142,78546122
NB: It is so cool that from this period you can see your ancestors confirmation grades!
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Lægdsruller 1836. Sorø Amt. Vallensved Sogn. Lægd 64.
Father: Peder Christensen.
Name: Hans Jørgen.
Born: Gallehuus.
Moved to 79-O-328
Source (page 124, bottom left): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481031#17459,792310
Lægsruller 1839. Sorø Amt. Fodby Sogn. Lægd 79.
Father: Peder Christensen.
Name: Hans Jørgen.
Born: Gallehuus.
Residence: Bidstrup.
New Number: 245.
Source (page 392, top left): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481031#17473,797387
Lægdsrulle 1842. Sorø Amt. Fodby Sogn. Lægd 79
Move to 65-T-265
Source (page 400): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481031#17483,800862
Lægdsrulle 1843. Sorø Amt. Karrebæk Sogn. Lægd 65.
Residence: Saltøe.
Source (page 132, nr 165): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481031#17518,814834
Lægdsrulle 1844. Sorø Amt. Karrebæk Sogn. Lægd 65.
Move to 79-X-314.
Source (page 430, bottom left): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481031#17525,817681
Lægdsrulle 1846. Sorø Amt. Fodby Sogn. Lægd 79.
Move to 78-Y-300
Source (page 157, nr 314): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481031#17529,819484
Lægdsrulle 1847. Sorø Amt. Hyllinge Sogn. Lægd 78.
Move to 79-Z-271.
Source (page 560, top left): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481031#17537,822618
Lægdsrulle 1848. Sorø Amt. Fodby Sogn. Lægd 79.
Father: Peder Christensen
Name: Hans Jørgen [Pedersen]. Død 1850 i Lægd 64 [= Vallensved Sogn]
Born: 26/1 1829 efter attest. [so it is the right date for the Hans Jørgen born i Skelby Sogn]
Born: Gallehuus.
Residence: Bidstrup.
Session 1851 [so he should have joined the army in 1851, so he couldn't have been a dragoon yet?]
Source (page 106, nr 271): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481031#17539,823052
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Just started going through this. Will take me a bit to go through it but wow you are so amazing thankyou so much. I'm so excited. I'll get back with you after I read it. You are the best.
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WOW What a mistery. I get tripped up when I can't read, decipher the places. I was off by a bit with Saltø Mølle. I missed that so I couldn't find the Parish to search in. Once that was found than I see how you found everything else which each census lead you to more info and then confirmed by the Lægdsrulle records as our man. Brilliant. So Hans Jørgen Pedersen was commissioned to become a dragoon in 1851 but unexpectedly dies. I wonder what he died of.
I don't think He ever married Inger. I looked for a marriage in Fodby, Skelby and Vallensved Sogn. Quite sad. He may or may not planned to marry her but maybe he was too sick to do so. I will now try and find the marriage of Inger Marie Jacobsdatter to Niels Hansen.
I am so grateful you take the time to help. Truly.
Sincerely, Beata Clifford.
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Hi Beata.
If we find the marriage of Niels Hansen & Inger Marie Jacobsdatter, it will state whether she is a "girl" or "enke" (widow). Then we have definite proof.
Born: 17. Marts 1821 i Rislev Sogn.
Name: Niels Hansen.
Father: Hans Nielsen i Rislev.
Source (page 14, nr 3): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=21913157#429120,78545519
Lægdsrulle 1834. Præstø Amt. Tybjerg Herred. Rislev Sogn. Lægd 46.
Father: Hans Nielsen.
Name: Niels [Hansen]
Born: Riisløv.
Age 13.
Moved to Sorø Amt 76-M-517 [move to Herlufsholm Sogn in 1837]
Source (207, nr 53): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481031#17449,788230
Lægdsrulle 1837. Sorø Amt. Øster Flakkebjerg Herred. Herlufsholm Sogn. Lægd 76.
Father: Hans Nielsen.
Name: Niels Hansen.
Born Riisløv.
Age 16.
Residence: Wredsløse [= Vridsløse].
Source (page 165, nr 517): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481031#17465,794941
Lægdsrulle 1839. Sorø Amt. Øster Flakkebjerg Herred. Herlufsholm Sogn. Lægd 76.
Residence: Lille Nestved [= Lille Næstved]
Moved to 79-P-289. [= Fodby]
Source (page 330, nr 517): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481031#17473,797325
Lægdsrulle 1840. Sorø Amt. Øster Flakkebjerg Herred. Fodby Sogn. Lægd 79.
Height 60 1/4 danish "tommer".
Residence Steenbensholm [= Stenbæksholm]
Move to 76-Q-548.
Source (page 149, nr 289): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481031#17474,797623
Lægdsrulle 1841. Sorø Amt. Øster Flakkebjerg Herred. Herlufsholm Sogn. Lægd 76.
Height 60 3/4 danish tommer in 1842 [he is growing a bit]
Residence Holsted.
Source (page 143, nr 548): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481031#17477,798523
Lægdsrulle 1842. Sorø Amt. Øster Flakkebjerg Herred. Herlufsholm Sogn. Lægd 76.
Age: 21.
Height: 62 danish tommer.
Residence: Fensmark Bye i Præstøe Amt.
Jæger 1/6 1842 i 2. J[æger] C[orps]. [So he is in the Second Hunter's Corps, which later should become 18. bataillion]
Source (page 343, new number 450): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481031#17483,800805
Lægdsrulle 1844. Sorø Amt. Øster Flakkebjerg Herred. Herlufsholm Sogn. Lægd 76
Lots of text.
Residence: Fensmark i Præstøe Amt.
New numer 430.
Source (page 202, nr 450): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481031#17487,801597
Lægdsrulle 1847. Sorø Amt. Øster Flakkebjerg Herred. Herlufsholm Sogn. Lægd 76.
Residence: Holsted.
1847: Krigsreserven [= War reserve]
New Number: 273
Source (page 506, number 430): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481031#17537,822564
Lægdsrulle 1850. Sorø Amt. Øster Flakkebjerg Herred. Herlufsholm Sogn. Lægd 76.
Residence: Holsted.
Moved to Præstø 91-A-690 [= Næstved Købstad in 1851]
Source (page 393, nr 273): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481031#17547,827106
Lægdsrulle 1852. Præstø Amt. Hammer Herred. Næstved Købstad. Lægd 91.
Moved to Sorø Amt 79-C-202.
Source (page 637, old number 690,
new number 340): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481031#17639,855750Lægdsrulle 1853. Sorø Amt. Øster Flakkebjerg Herred. Fodby Sogn. Lægd 79.
Residence: Bidstrup.
Source (212, nr 202): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481031#17552,829307
Lægdsrulle 1856. Sorø Amt. Øster Flakkebjerg Herred. Fodby Sogn. Lægd 79.
Residence: Bidstrup.
1852: ....? (could be short for "Forstærkningen", but very unclear)
Afsked. [So he is removed from the lægdsrulle]
Source (page 358, nr 202): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=16481031#17495,803737
NB: So no indication of moving to Herlufmagle - so unclear if the right one in the census below.
Census 1855: Præstø, Tybjerg, Herlufmagle Sogn, Gjelsted, Huus, 148 F 1, FT-1855, E2119
Niels Hansen 34 G Indsidder Dagleier Huusfader Rislev Sogn Præstø Amt
Inger Marie Jacobsdatter 30 G Hans Kone Fodby Sogn Sorø Amt
Jacob Hansen 5 U Deres Barn Fodby Sogn Sorø Amt
Hans Nielsen 2 U Deres Barn Rislev Sogn Præstø Amt
Source: Dansk Demografisk Database.
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It is the correct Niels Hansen, who was a "Jæger"!
Viet: 4. Juni 1853 i Karrebæk Sogn [Øster Flakkebjerg Herred. Sorø Amt]
Ungkarl Niels Hansen af Bidstrup [Lægdsrulle 1853 says his residence was Bidstrup].
Født i Riisløv 21. Marts 1821 [Proof]. Vaccineret d. 14. September samme Aar.
Pigen Inger Marie Jacobs datter af Saltøe.
Født i Steenbeksholm [Stenbæksholm in Fodby Sogn] d. 7. Juni 1825. Vaccineret d. 21. August 1827.
Source (page 27, nr 8 top): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=21883071#427991,78501160
NB: So she enters into her first marriage!
Based on the lægdsrulle information we can backtrack his whereabouts in the earlier census
Census 1850: Sorø, Øster Flakkebjerg, Herlufsholm Sogn, Øverup, , 110, FT-1850, B3858
Ane Jensdatter 54 Enke huuskone, lever af sin jord Rislev, Præstø amt
Niels Hansen 28 Ugift fraværende, i krigstjeneste Rislev, Præstø amt
Source: Dansk Demografisk Database.
NB: So he is active in the First Slesvig War (1848-1851) and not a home at the time of the census.
Census 1845: Præstø, Tybjerg, Fensmark Sogn, Fensmark by, Gaard, 24, FT-1845, C2524
Christian Plesner 30 Ugift forpagter af gaarden Uldum, Vejle amt
Johanne Plesner 36 Ugift husholderske Uldum, Vejle amt
Frederik Hansen 25 Ugift tjenestefolk Herlufmagle, Præstø amt
Jørgen Pedersen 29 Ugift tjenestefolk Everdrup, Præstø amt
Peder Pedersen 26 Ugift tjenestefolk Rislev, Præstø amt
Knud Christensen 38 Ugift tjenestefolk Rønnebæk, Præstø amt
Hans Nielsen 21 Ugift tjenestefolk Braaby, Sorø amt
Niels Hansen 24 Ugift tjenestefolk Rislev, Præstø amt
Jens Eilertsen 27 Ugift tjenestefolk Skelby, Præstø amt
Hanne Pedersdatter 21 Ugift tjenestefolk I sognet
Stine Nielsdatter 25 Ugift tjenestefolk Toksværd, Præstø amt
Christian Plesner 25 Ugift Student Glud, Vejle amt
Source: Dansk Demografisk Database.
Census 1840: Sorø, Øster Flakkebjerg, Herlufsholm Sogn, Lille Nestved, , 6, FT-1840, B5561
Peder Larsen 54 Gift gaardmand
Dorthe Rasmusdatter 58 Gift hans kone
Maren Kirstine Dideriksdatter 19 Ugift pleiebarn
Rasmus Knudsen Rasmussen 10 Ugift pleiebarn
Jens Olsen 23 Ugift tyende
Niels Hansen 19 Ugift tyende
Anne Marie Hansdatter 24 Ugift tyende
Source: Dansk Demografisk Database.
Census 1834: Præstø, Tybjerg, Rislev Sogn, Riisløv Bye, en Gaard, 7, FT-1834, C4652
Jens Pedersen 69 Gift Gaardmand
Ane Kirstine Pedersdatter 68 Gift hans Kone
Peder Jensen 28 Ugift deres Søn
Mette Marie Larsdatter 22 Ugift Tjenestefolk
Peder Bendtsen 17 Ugift Tjenestefolk
Niels Hansen 13 Ugift Tjenestefolk
Ane Kirstine Hansdatter 15 Ugift Tjenestefolk
Source: Dansk Demografisk Database.
NB: At 13 years old he has already left home to serve at a farm!
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Inger Marie gets married again!
I haven't found out when Niels Hansen dies, yet.
Neither found the census for 1860 to see if she gets any more children with Niels Hansen [other than Hans Nielsen, who was 2 years old in census 1855: Born 25. oktober 1853 in Herlufmagle Sogn, NOT Rislev as the census 1855 says]
Viet: 1. August 1869 i Skelby Sogn.
Ungkarl Jens Jørgensen af Kagstrup [in Skelby Sogn]. Født 16. Maj 1845. Vaccineret 3. September 1846.
Enke efter indsidder Niels Hansen af Bidstrup Inger Marie Jacobsen [/Jacobsdatter]. Født 7. Juni 1825. Vaccineret 21. August 1827. [So it is her with 100% certainty]
Source (page 24, nr 12): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=21913163#429232,78549108
Census 1870: Præstø Amt. Tybjerg Herred. Skelby Sogn. Trælløse By.
Jens Jørgensen Mand 25 1845 Gift Husfader Arbejdsmand (Born Lynge).
Inger Marie Jacobsen Kvinde 44 1826 Gift Huusmoder (Born: Fodby)
Christian Julius Jørgensen Mand 0 1870 Ugift Barn
Mette Kirstine Jensen Kvinde 67 1803 Enke
Source: https://www.danishfamilysearch.dk/cid21541369
NB: So she does get another kid!
Census 1880: Præstø Amt. Tybjerg Herred. Glumsø Sogn. Aasø Mark.
Jens Jørgensen Mand 34 1846 Gift Husfader Arbejdsmand
Inger Marie Jacobsen Kvinde 54 1826 Gift Hans kone
Kristian Julius Jørgensen Mand 10 1870 Ugift Deres barn
Source: https://www.danishfamilysearch.dk/cid10212421
Census 1890: Præstø Amt. Tybjerg Herred. Glumsø Sogn. Aasø By.
Jens Jørgensen Mand 44 1846 Gift Husfader Arbeidsmand
Inger Marie Jacobsen Kvinde 64 1826 Gift Husmoder
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Hi Beata
OK here are some of what I lost yesterday written again!
Viet: 1. August 1869 i Skelby Sogn.
ungkarl Jens Jørgensen af Kagstrup. Født: 17. Maj 1845 & enke, efter indsidder Niels Hansen i Bidstrup, Inger Marie Jacobsdatter. Født: 7. Juni 1825.
Source (page 24, nr 12): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=21913163#429232,78549108
NB: So this is her second marriage with a man 20 years younger.
Census 1870: Præstø, Tybjerg, Skelby Sogn, Trælløse, Huus, 97-F2, FT-1870, E1832
Jens Jørgensen 25 G Husfader Arbejdsmand Liunge [= Lynge] Sogn, Sorø Amt
Inger Marie Jacobsen 44 G Huusmoder Fodby Sogn, Sorø Amt
Christian Julius Jørgensen 0 U Barn Skelby Sogn Præstø Amt
Mette Kirstine Jensen 67 E Terslev Sogn Sorø Amt
Source: Dansk Demografisk Database.
NB: She has another child: Christian Julius Jørgensen, which they got while unmarried.
Born: 20. Maj 1869 i Skelby Sogn.
Name: Christian Julius Jørgensen.
Mother: ugift fruentimmer Inger Marie Jacobsdatter (43 years), enke efter Niels Hansen af Bidstrup.
Named father: arbejder og indsidder Jens Jørgensen af Trælløse.
Source (page 6, top): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=21913163#429223,78548853
In 1853 she also had Hans Nielsen in Herlufmagle Sogn.
Born: 25. Oktober 1853 i Herlufmagle Sogn.
Name: Hans Nielsen.
Father: indsidder Niels Hansen.
Mother: hustru Inger Marie Jacobsdatter.
Source (page 25, bottom): https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?epid=21883141#442167,79797146
So she had 3 children with 3 different men (only the second one - Hans Nielsen - while married)!
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Ive been sick for a few days and havent reviewed all the new info you sent. Im getting to it now, Just know I am so grateful.
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I just read through it all and will now get it sourced in their records. I am amazed how good you are, really. And take the time to help others. I am a trainer at the family search center (still learning trainer) and have shared your work with my fellow workers. Community is becoming an important tool for us. Thankyou again. What an important resource you are apart of in this great work. Wow what a hard and difficult life they lived.
Thankyou again. You have taught me so much. I hope I don't wear you out with my questions. Til the next one. Bless you.
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Niels Hansen.
Found him in 2. Jæger Corps, 2. Compagnie.
Nr. 57 (corrected to 69).
Niels Hansen Riisløv.
Arrived 1843 from Sorø Amt Lægd 76, nr. 450.
Source (page 144): https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS1F-NS8T-B?i=143&cat=416356
NB: In the Danish army your "army name" was your home village.
So "underjæger Riisløv".
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Thats Awesom. Ive spent all day plugging in this info and also found many more links with exstended family. Inger maria Jacobsdatters parents step father siblings on and on. So amazing.
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