1862 Jacob land transfer in Wiliberg, Switzerland
Hi, I am not expecting a translation of this whole document but will greatly appreciate the basic facts. My great grandfather, Jacob joined the church and immigrated to Eden, Utah. This transaction; happened before he left Wilberg, CH. There are a couple more pages of this document if needed. Many thanks, Kent
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Are you sure about this document? It is a "Pfandbrief" (debenture) negotiated on 07 April 1906 (not 1860 nor 1862) with land as safety - not a land transfer (may have resulted in a land transfer later if the debtor could not pay back - or possibly he sold it later in connection with the emigration).
Debtor is Jakob Bachmann, son of Rudolf, farmer, resident in Wiliberg. Lender is "Aargauische Bank". Starting on the next page the debtor's land is described in detail.
There are several discussions of different Bachmann lines on https://www.geneal-forum.com/: would you know your great grandfather's place of citizenship? Wiliberg is not listed as place of citizenship for Bachmann.
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WSeelentag: So let me see if I am following you. In 1906 Jacob asks for a loan from Aargauische Bank in Switzerland with the home/land in Wiliberg as collateral. This document is asking for a loan of 13,000 francs. I have read that 10,000 French francs in 1902 was 2,903 grams of gold, which would be worth £106,000 today. Apparently Jacob wanted to take out a huge loan. He also seems to have an interest in the Wiliberg property.
Jacob immigrated in 1863 to Eden, UT. In 1906 Jacob has lived in Eden, UT for 43 years and has owned land and a home in Eden which he sold so he could retire to Ogden. Jacob dies in 1907.
Jacob's daughter: In 1862 the brothers (Jacob and his brother) owned the Switzerland homestead (in Wiliberg, jointly. Jacob’s brother purchased Jacob’s interest for $2,000, 10,000 francs in Swiss money, a considerable fortune. One thousand dollars was considered an ample sum to take the family to Utah and to purchase a home. This sum was entrusted to two Mormon Elders for safe-keeping, but they got into some difficulty with the authorities and it cost them the entire sum to free themselves. This delayed Jacob for sometime, but he was determined to go to Zion, and after some months his brother was able to give him the remaining one thousand dollars.
The municipal center for Wiliberg is Bottenwil. Bottenwil is probably the place of Swiss citizenship. I looked at the website you suggested but found it difficult to navigate.
Is my thinking correct?
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Bottenwil: Wiliberg is a citizens community of its own - but with only two "old" families: Lässer and Müller. Bachmann have been citizens of Bottenwil since before 1800 - so it's quite plausible that your great grandfather belongs to this line.
Geneal-Forum: This is not just a transcription service (although this sort of help is also offered) but a discussion platform, some discussions going on for years. To make use of it efficiently, you have to know how to search efficiently. There are two possibilities:
1) Best is to register with the forum (free of charge and without any obligation) - you then have access to an extremely powerful internal search option.
2) The less efficient method is to use the search engine of your choice and specify the site - e.g. https://swisscows.com/en/web?query=bachmann+site=geneal-forum.com. Results are not really satisfactory with some search engines, especially too many "false positive" hits often pop up.
Now for your document: You state that the homestead in Wiliberg was owned by Jakob and his brother - but Jakob sold his share to his brother in 1862 - likely to finance his emigration. From 1863 Jakob lived in Eden UT on his own land … so why would he ask for a loan from Aargauische Bank in 1906 - giving the property in Wiliberg as security - which he no longer owned?
Would this brother be Johann Rudolf Bachmann (https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/KWJN-CHC) with his son Jakob Bachmann, born 1871? So this Jakob would be your great grandfather's nephew, may have inherited the property - and taken up the loan in 1906. What do you think?
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WSeelentag Yes Johann Rudolf is his brother. Descendants of Rudolf now own one of the biggest transport companies in Europe: Bachman Trucking and Bachman Group aka Bachman Transport. I bought a small HO scale truck from Europe with a logo of Bachman for my train set. The truck is a replica of a truck used by Bachman Trucking.
Very interesting thought about this not being my grandfather but being my great grandfather's nephew. That makes total sense.
Also thank you for the information on the General Forum. I will spend some time there!
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