Tbilisi, Georgia birth records
Hello,
I am trying to locate a birth certificate from Tbilisi, Georgia, 1913. Can anyone help?
Reference/details:
Name: Stanisław Rozniedzki
Parents: Jan Rozniedzki and Konstancja Trościanko
Location and Parish: Tbilisi, Georgia St. Peter and Paul Apostles' (Catholic Church).
Date: 26 May 1913
Page: 60V
Record: 67
The document has been indexed on the following two Polish genealogy sites, but scans of the document are not provided:
(https://geneteka.genealodzy.pl/index.php?op=gt&lang=eng&search_lastname=Rozniedzki+&search_lastname2=&from_date=&to_date=&exac=&rid=B&bdm=B&w=25po)
(https://wolyn-metryki.pl/Wolyn/index.php?nazw_szuk=Rozniedzki&miej_szuk=)
The national archives in Tbilisi have been non-responsive to my emails.
FamilySearch may have the microfilm online, but I've not had any luck locating it.
Thank you and best regards
-Mike
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Hi Mike!
It looks like the records on FamilySearch for the city of Tbilisi are primarily Russian Orthodox records with a handful of Lutheran, Jewish, and Islamic. I wasn't able to find any Catholic records. There was an entry for a St. Peter and Paul's church, but they were Orthodox records.
If you take a look at the Geneteka website and hover your mouse over the Z under remarks, that lets you know where the indexer accessed the records in order to index them. In this case, it says Archiwum Parafialne - which translates to the parish archives. When I have seen that listed as the source in the past, it usually means the indexer visited the parish itself. That does seem a bit odd though, because the archival catalog for the Tbilisi archives does list that they have the Catholic Peter and Paul Records (see entry 17 here: https://archival-services.gov.ge/saeklesio/regions/location/55). Going back to Geneteka, if you hover your mouse over the A, that tells you who indexed the records. If you click on that, it will take you to that indexer's page. I believe if you register for an account (upper right hand corner), you should be able to email the indexer through the website (Click where it says send an email via the form). It might be worth reaching out to the indexer to see where they got the records from....they may even have copies of the records themselves.
My other suggestion would be to turn to the archives. How long ago did you send an email, where did you send it to, and what language was it in? It can often take weeks, or in some cases even months to hear back from an archive, and it's also important to write in their native language.
I also found that you can request a record through their website. https://www.my.gov.ge/ka-ge/services/9/service/272 It's a bit complicated as it is in Georgian and Google Translate doesn't seem to want to automatically translate the page (at least on my computer), but you can still copy and paste the text on the page and then throw it into Google Translate. If you click the green + button, and then choose birth records from the bullet pointed list, then birth records prior to 1921, and then continue, you'll be brought to a form where you can fill out the details of the request. I've never used this service before, so I'm not quite sure what comes next after you fill out the information and hit submit, but it doesn't hurt to try it and see what happens.
Hope this helps!
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Thank you so much for taking the time to help and for your response.
I noticed the same thing reading FamilySearch and St. Peter and Paul's Orthodox records. I found this curious, since and St. Peter and Paul's Catholic Church has been in Tbilisi since the 1870; and it exists to this day.
Regarding the “Z” comments on Geneteka:
I was able to locate information for Jan and Konstancja’s marriage (Tbilisi - St. Peter and Paul's , 1901, Link #1 below). It also states “Archiwum Parafialne” in the “Z” comment. Although no link is provided to a scan of the document, I was able to find the microfilm on familysearch.org (Link#2 below).
Hence, my optimism that Stanislaw’s birth record may also be microfilmed and uploaded…somewhere.
I will certainly take your advice and reach out to Geneteka
I first contacted the National Archives of Georgia regarding their Remote Services (services@archives.gov.ge) well over a month ago. I wrote in English, and also included a Google Translate version of my message in Georgian. I will use the link you provided, and see what happens.
Thank you again,
-Mike
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Link #2: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS1T-TLTW?cat=759876
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That's good to know that sometimes you can find records marked parish archives on FamilySearch.
Let me know if you have any luck either with Geneteka or the Georgian Archives!
Best of luck to you!
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