Collaborate tab doesn’t display text of discussions
Must be a bug. When opening the new collaborate section of a person’s record, a list of the discussions is presented. However, when clicking on the title of a discussion the text of the discussion does not display, only the title, date and author, and a link to any comments. This is on an iPad running iPadOS 15.6.
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The collaborative tab is horrible, it now opens a tiny box on the right hand side of the screen that is inefficient to use. The location of the new collaborative link is fine but it needs to open the tab in the old formatting in the center of the page.
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Is there a separate mobile version of the new person page, or is Safari mishandling something on the iPad?
On a computer (Win10, Firefox), clicking Collaborate opens a side panel that usually looks empty, because for some inexplicable reason, it defaults to trying to show only Discussions.
However, choosing Notes results in fully-visible Notes, although I haven't checked what it does with long texts.
I continue to be perplexed by the intended difference between discussions and notes, and would consider it a great improvement to have a collaboration area with just a single type of text entry field. Even failing that, though, is there some technical reason we can't just see all of the existing communications when we click to see all of the existing communications? Is there a programmatic reason for making us beg and plead?
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The intended difference:
- Notes - a static explanatory statement which probably should more correctly go into a Reason Statement under the applicable data item or as a document under Memories that can be attached as a source for that data item. Can be edited or deleted by anyone. Many older notes that were imported from New Family Search are actually life sketches.
- Discussions - a localized Message thread for debating back and forth research questions or just who is right. I think editing of the original comment can only be done by the poster. (That's hard to test) I'm not sure if subsequent comments can be edited by anyone. I'm not sure who can delete any parts of a discussion. The original poster can delete the entire discussion.
Both are clearly intended to be very brief.
In another post someone related her concern that because her information was originally imported from PAF, she has a huge number of very long documents that came into Family Tree as notes which are now very difficult to read. I would hope that her extended family helps out and gradually moves all these notes to being documents or stories so that they are much more accessible, legible, and useful.
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I really didn't mean to open yet another thread on differing opinions of the new collaborate tab, I only meant to report an apparent bug in Safari on the iPad.
It seems to work as intended on my iMac running MacOS Monterey 12.5, using Safari ver. 15.6.
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To add to my comment, "Notes" appear to work OK. I tried "request desktop website" on the iPad and it did not change the behavior of "Discussions."
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That's OK, @EricShelton, the engineers will get a note of the bug you are reporting and probably ignore the rest. It's just a fact of human nature that whenever we post anything here, the thread will take on a life of its own and can wander about anywhere no matter what one originally intended. That is half the fun, depending on your point of view maybe quite a bit less than half, of being here.
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Still not fixed.
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Nope, still not. I see that this is browser specific:
iMac, Apple M1, Retina Display 24-inch (4480 × 2520), MacOS Monterey 12.4, Safari 15.5
iMac, Apple M1, Retina Display 24-inch (4480 × 2520), MacOS Monterey 12.4, Firefox 103.02.
I wonder if the underlying bug is also the one that causes some, but not all reason statements to not show in Safari. It seems strange that one of the four notes does show in both browsers. That is the same funny behavior you can see here:
Safari:
Firefox:
Two of the reason statements do show, but the other two do not. What could possibly be the difference?
Actually, I just noticed something. It is the ones that in Firefox have the More link that do not show in Safari in both the notes and the reason statements. @lyleblunttoronto1, could you pass that fact on to the programmers? Maybe that is the clue they need to fix this in both places.
Where else do we run across this More link on a page? I can only think of the Life Sketch but things work fine there.
Time for an experiment in Safari:
No reason statement:
Ten Characters:
Twenty Characters:
Fifty Characters:
Fifty One Characters:
But on refreshing the screen, the More vanishes:
And in a note:
321 characters are fine:
Going to 322 triggers the More and causes all text to vanish:
And refreshing the screen causes even the More to vanish, leaving just the title:
I hope this reproducible behavior helps the programmers find a solution to this problem for both Reason Statements and Notes in Safari.
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In Discussions:
Safari - 363 characters is maximum:
364 causes everything to vanish leaving More:
Then refreshing again causes even the More to vanish:
While in Firefox, things are still fine:
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A difference I have noticed, is that the Mores in Reason Statements, Notes, and Discussions expand the text in place. The More on a Life Sketch opens a pop up box to display the full text. That is most likely why Life Sketches over a certain length are not vanishing in Safari. It's a different routine.
Anywhere else the problematic More is found?
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Thank you. We'll get this bug fixed.
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