I need help with translation of this record
It is number 4 Kittelsdatter? Thank you for any help you can give me. Paula Rail
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Yes. The child is Bergit Kittelsdatter. Born 4 Feb 1841, baptised 7 March, parents Kittel Gunnelsen and Bergit Hellechsdatter? of Walle?? farm?
The other people listed are witnesses/sponsors.
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Walleeih or Valleeie which would have been a husmannsplass or tennent farmer's section on the main Valle farm
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Thank you for your help. It is very much appreciated. Paula Rail
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The bottom record Ole Kittleson. I am looking for a record for an Ole kIttleson whose death record in Minnesota says he was born on 25 November 1843 Numedal, Norway Parents Kittle Kittleson and Beret Loben. Could this be him?
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Record is in 1843 - still possible, people get dates confused. I cannot read the birth date at all but it must be before 31 Dec.
The father of this child is Kittel Knudsen.... the mother's name is definitely NOT Berit. Match not likely.
Numedal (Buskerud) includes the clerical districts/parishes of Flesberg, Rollag and Nore og Uvdal.
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Birth dates from Norway as listed in United States birth records can be horribly wrong. Looking at his record in Family Tree, I suspect that that birth date is calculated from his age of 75 years, 3 months, 4 days since it looks like the date is written in pencil, not ink list the rest of the form. But that is just speculation. I think I agree with the other index for the death certificate that his mother's maiden name is Loken. However, really staring at it, it could even be Lofsen.
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I've been wondering why the birth record for Ole is being hard to find. Record were pretty complete in the 1840s and are usually easy to find. I did occur to me that beyond Numedal being a vague term and it may be you have not found the right parish yet, the problem may be that you don't know his parent's names as they would be in his birth record.
Looking at his Family Tree record, the only source I see with his parents names is his death certificate. That is pretty late in his life to assume it is correct.
While it says his father's name is Kittel Kittelson, it may be that his survivors assumed his father's surname was Kittelson because that is what Ole used. You might be looking at some confusion due to shifting from a patronymic system to a fixed surname system.
A strictly patronymic system would assume this series of names based on what you know:
- Grandfather: Kittle
- Father: Kittle Kittleson
- Son: Ole Kittelsson
You may actually be looking at:
Grandfather: ??? Kittleson
Father: Kittle ???son
Son: Ole Kittleson
Then there is his mother's name. Beret could be Berit or Birte or Bertha on his birth record and the birth record most likely has her patronymic not whatever that word is on the death certificate.
So you really need to be searching for an Ole born somewhere in the Numedal area of Buskerud to a Kittle and a mother whose first name starts with B. It would be nice to have more sources linking to information from Norway. I tried looking in the emigration indexes but could see anyone that could be him in the 1858 to 1860 records.
Trying a search on FamilySearch: https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&q.birthLikeDate.from=1840&q.birthLikeDate.to=1846&q.birthLikePlace=buskerud&q.birthLikePlace.exact=on&q.fatherGivenName=ki%2A&q.givenName=ol%2A&q.motherGivenName=b%2A&q.recordCountry=Norway
Brings up 11 results in Buskerud. The top seven, which only are three different children with two or three entries each. You could try to work forward on each of them to eliminate possibilities in hopes of finding if any of these three are your Ole.
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Thank you all for your comments. I will keep looking. You all have been most helpful and teaching me. Paula Rail
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