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Marriage Record Reading/Translation Help - 1641 - Siebert Grein and Catharina Stumpf

Kimball G. Carter
Kimball G. Carter ✭✭✭
February 15, 2022 edited September 10, 2024 in Social Groups

I have three short records on the same page that appear to all be related to the marriage of Seibert Grein and Catharina Stumpf in 1641 in Holzburg, Ziegenhain, Cassel, Hessen-Nassau, Germany. 

All three entries are on the left page starting at the third line for the first entry:

"de 7 Augusti Sposalia Siebert Grein

zu Holtzburg [??] der [Tehenntsame??] frau Catha

rina Stumpffin von Heydelbach anno 1641"


Second entry 4 lines down:

"[??dem?] 24 t Augusti anno 1641

Seybert Grein celebravit nuptias [patin?]

Stumpffin [?relicta??] [?eÿd?t?] [be????]"


Third entry next line:

Seibert Grein - marriage record 7 Aug 1641 - Holzburg, Ziegenhain, Cassel, Hessen-Nassau, Germany Kirchenbuch 1604-1687 image 44.jpg


"den 10 t octobris ist Sybert Grein hausfrau

zu? [crheb??sch?ff?] [sestanden?] zu ohm??s?]"


If I understand these entries correctly the first is the engagement of Seibert/Siebert to Catharina Stumpff and the second the marriage, but I don't understand the third entry at all.

Other researchers have given 7 August 1641 as the marriage date, but I believe it was 24 August 1641. Catharina Stumpff is supposedly from the town of Greifenhain. Other researchers list Holzburg, Schrecksbach as the place for these records. According to Meyers the place is Holzburg, Ziegenhain, Cassel, Hessen-Nassau.

Any help would be much appreciated.


Kimball Carter

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  • Kimball G. Carter
    Kimball G. Carter ✭✭✭
    February 20, 2022

    this image is from Archion, here's a link to the image on Google Drive:

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KYszkYAds6wnCzrk-JJFeMAeLP7vEOOc/view?usp=sharing

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  • Ulrich Neitzel
    Ulrich Neitzel ✭✭✭✭✭
    February 21, 2022

    @kcarter3829911

    Hello Kimball,

    this handwriting is really difficult to read. I can only offer a few suggestions:

    • the word before the "Frau Catharina" in the first record is probably Tugendsame (virtous)
    • the second entry starts "den 24 t Augusti...."
    • the end of the second entry could be "relicta Heydelbaccensis" (widow from Heidelbach)

    I see two other records where Siebert Greim is mentioned:

    • on the left page, 7th line from bottom starts the marriage record of Johannes J_? with Margaretha Greim, Siebert Greim's daughter
    • on the right page, 5th line from bottom: "Infans Sieber Greim compater seiner? Schwester Sohn, s__ __?"

    So I guess Siebert Greim was also a widower (his daughter married half a year after he married Catharina).

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