Help figuring out relationships
Hello! First, thank you to everyone who has helped me in the past! I've usually asked about Danish records, but this time it's Swedish. Here are some links for Household examination books for a family in my tree and some questions that can help me figure out relationships.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSGC-RQMJ-9?cc=2790465&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQLPD-ZDDF What do lines 6 and 11 say? Are these two families even related? They were indexed as one family. Why are there so many crossed out entries in these records? What does the oad in front of Elna's name mean?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSGC-RQSM-7?cc=2790465&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQLPN-BGZ7 Line 3 was indexed as Elna. I don't see it, but the date is right. Is there more information on that line about her? Why weren't lines 1 and 10 indexed and what is their relationships to these families?
Maybe I need to take a quick course on Household Examination books! Anything you are willing to teach me is much appreciated, though!
Thank you!
Anne
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In the first record:
Line 6 lists John Olsson.
Line 11 lists Nils Persson
It looks like those two lines were not indexed because there is no birth information for them.
Most of the time where there is a break between households on the farm, a line will be skipped. but in the case of lines 4&5, and lines 6,7,&8, I would say that are not related because line 4&5 moved out in 1881, and lines 6,7,&8 moved in in 1885.
People are crossed out in these records when they moved away from the property or when they died.
oad = illegiimate.
You would need to prove it, but I would be suspicious that the John Olsson on line 1is the same person as the John Olsson on line 6. I really wonder if he moved away, had his wife die, remarried a woman with a child, then moved backed. You would have to trace him through the books and see if it really is him who comes back here.
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On your second link line 3:
"her daughter Elna, illegitimate.
I would have to assume that lines 1 and 10 were not indexed because there were not dates, just the names. Those two men are the husbands of of the women listed just below them.
On this page, again, the names are crossed out because they moved. The far right column has the dates they moved and where. In this case, nobody left the parish. They just moved to different farms. Those are page numbers in this same book for where they moved to.
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Thank you so much! This helps a whole lot and I really appreciate learning about how these records were kept. I think I can sort out these relationships now. I really appreciate you taking the time to help me! Anne
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Can I ask you one more question?
On this record, I would love to know what the second and 14th columns say about Pernilla.
Thank you so much!
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You'd be better off if one of the people really good in Swedish research that belong to this group sees this and explains this. The handwriting is a bit beyond me.
But looking at the three records for Pernilla together, I notice now that in the 1881-1885 book it says Piga before her name so she and John were not married yet. There is the same note in this book across from Pernilla name as in the later one. It does look like it has Hustru, that is, wife, before her name in the 1886-1890 book, and that same note is there, also. So there are three copies to use to try to figure out what it says.
I think the 1886-1890 note is the clearest and I'll also mention here that I like the Swedish National Archives record viewer better than Family Search's. The zoom is better. You can find this same page here: https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0062690_00146 and this view of the note:
Lysning til äkteskap för henne ... ... Enkl Nils Persson i Degeberge afk. 3 gg: år 1877.
Banns for marriage for her and .... Enkl(?) Nils Persson in Degeberge (maybe: read three times?) year 1877.
This makes sense since her illegitimate daughter Elna was born in Degeberge in 1877. I wonder what happened to the engagement? It certainly sounds like the marriage fell through. I would check in the Degeberge records and see if Nils was Elna's father or not.
I've seen this before in these clerical surveys that one's past life is impossible to escape from. Twenty years after a failed engagement, this is still being recorded for Pernilla.
I'm not sure what the term in the second column is which is her station in life. It starts out Hushåll.. which I think would be household, so maybe household help? Looking at the surrounding pages, all the wives have an H for hustru before before their names and Pernilla does not. So it looks like I am misreading the 1881-1885 book and that is not a capitol H before her name there and she and John were never married and she was just a housekeeper for him.
Sorry this is just a bunch of guesses. I hope someone else can give you a better explanation of all this.
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I'm so sorry! I just saw this! Thank you so much! It helps tremendously!
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Hi mikesampson,
Thanks Gordon for your work to look over this. I read it as:
Engagement toward marriage for her and the laborer widower Nils Persson of Degeberga. I’m not sure of the next abbreviation but the 3 gg år 1877 means 3 times in the year 1877. Given the context, it refers to the public banns that normally were done 3 Sundays in a row.
Being engaged was legally binding. If a couple was engaged but then the wedding was called off, then the couple had to formally undo the engagement.
Sorry for the delay, hope this helps.
Geoff
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@Morris Geoffrey Fröberg Thank you so much for looking at this and helping me out! I'm so thankful for all the help I can get!
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