✨ Updated Tree Pedigree Views now available to test!! ✨
The Tree development team would like to have some users test the next release of the Tree Pedigree Landscape and Portrait views. There are very minimal changes the users will see, as the major need is to upgrade the web page technologies used on the system. There may be some bugs that we need help to find.
We invite you to:
1) Go to beta.familysearch.org and log in. In the upper right corner of the page there is blue link to "GO TO NEW PEDIGREE VIEW". You can review the changes on both the landscape and portrait pedigrees.
2) **Please provide your FEEDBACK on this discussion.**
In about a week, there will be a feedback button on the page similar to the new person page.
Comments
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iMac, Apple M1, Retina Display 24-inch (4480 × 2520), MacOS Monterey 12.6, Safari 16.0
As of this moment, for me, dragging the pedigree does not work and the zoom in and out buttons don't work so I am stuck on this view:
I assume when it first loads that the tree is suppose to resize and put the focus person somewhere in the middle. Here I entered the pedigree view through Charles who is sitting in the top left corner.
"Very minimal changes"? I suppose you are referring to the slight update to the pop-up summary card.
I'll test things out and see if there are comments to leave when this first bug of not being able to properly view the pedigree is fixed.
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I never use the landscape or portrait charts, so I'm not surprised not to really notice many changes; the only subtantial one I see is a person-sidebar instead of a person-card/flyout. My only comment on it is that I find it disconcerting to have that sidebar be mostly red when I click on a female. (As I've pointed out a few times, red is an alert/warning/problem-indicator.)
Navigation (drag/pan and zoom) appears to work fine in Edge (Win10), except for the scroll wheel; I'm used to that being a way to adjust the zoom, but now it's just panning down and up, which is particularly useless in landscape view. I don't know if this is a browser setting or a change on FS's part. (Edge is not my normal browser.)
It's too much hassle to test the beta site in my regular browser (Firefox), so I can't report on that.
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I am using Chrome in Windows 10 with a desktop 21" monitor.
Landscape Pedigree assessment -
Difficult to read. The vital information is uncomfortably too small and not dark enough. I feel like I am "reaching" for it.
The flags when opened are too large and too covering. They are in the face. Liked them opening smaller and to the side in the old version.
Like that I can still scroll and also grab to move.
Do not care for the new shades of the flag colors. Much prefer the old version shades.
The forward and back arrows could be a little larger.
I am also not a big fan of the new dark bright pink for females. Especially in the portrait photo when the photo is missing. It has been bugging me at the new person page as well. Can that color be muted some?
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Using Windows 11, Firefox -- compared the horizontal trees
Pro:
- Curved corners on connecting lines is very pleasing.
- Popup Box for hints centers itself and is easily accessible even if clicking on someone low on the screen. Much better than old way of losing half the info below the bottom of the screen.
- Thank you for adding the ID number for individuals. Helps me when I have two tabs open and comparing possible person merge.
Con:
- Fonts start up one to two magnifications too small.
- If I use the new tree, select an individual and want to see their tree in a new tab it gives me a redirect error. Comparing the trees of two uncles to see the kids when I believe that one cousin is connected to the wrong parent. Couldn't have two tabs up in beta.
- I like the extra info on the individuals in the tree -- but I'm using a PC. I can see where an ipad or iphone user doesn't have the same footprint and it would be very tiny (hard to read).
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I am using Chrome in Windows 10 with a desktop 21" monitor.
Landscape Pedigree assessment -
The tool box in the upper right hand corner doesn't need to be so large. Its size in the previous version was better.
I very much like the ability to drag and drop a person to a new tab. The old version never allowed that.
I prefer the old version when clicking on a name that gives a flag-out of the personal information to the side.
When clicking on a name, the new popup side panel that appears is too large. The header is way to big and bright (in the face) and pushes the information further down the column. The panel as a whole needs to a be a lot smaller. On my computer it requires lots of scrolling. Not nearly as nice as the simpler flag out in the old version showing the vitals. I don't feel I need to see Custom Events, etc. at this point.
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You are probably already aware when a person has multiple spouses the marriage arrow is missing for the additional marriage(s).
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The multiple spouse arrow is still there for me. It is also an option to turn it on or off.
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Thanks Gordon,
I completely missed the multiple spouse arrow. It is in a different location and missed the "small" arrow. I still think the arrows need a wee bit of adjustment throughout - not necessarily larger but darker.
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Those arrows are pretty pale and hard to see.
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Macbook Pro, Intel Core i5, Retina Display 13.3-inch (2560 × 1600), MacOS Monterey 12.6, Safari 16.0.
I've found that if I to to the new landscape pedigree for a person, change to the old view, change back to the new view, then reload the page, it finally loads properly. So I'll make a few comment.
First off, the initial load is too small to be useful. It's going to annoy people if the first thing they have to do every time they come to the page is zoom in a few levels. Here is how it looks on my screen:
(Can we still only do one image per post?)
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Clicking Zoom In twice gets it to a legible level. I can always zoom out if I just want to see the shape of the tree but not read anything.
This initial size works well for me to actually read anything more than the names.
But now, staring at both, I'm not sure which is better, seeing more of the tree or more of the text
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The overall look is nice.
The options side panel works well for turning the various options on and off. Having a side panel open to choose the options so that it is the same as the various filters other places on the site works fine.
I'm don't think you really need the filter to show alternate parents and spouses because the change it makes is so subtle, just hiding or showing the nearly invisible little arrow. I'd be concerned to, that if hiding that arrow is a choice, people will turn it off, forget they did, and get really confused when they can't find the other parents and spouses.
It is a bit disconcerting to have the reset view button come and go, appearing when I have changed zoom level or move the pedigree around. But I think I would get used to that.
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Icon Colors
Here is a chart I put together of the various icons. The first column is how they look on the new Detail page. The second column is how they look on the new landscape pedigree and the third is the legend from the old landscape pedigree:
The temple icons are all quite a bit darker on the pedigree than on the detail page. So dark, in fact that it is hard to tell the green and blue temples apart. The orange is so dark that it is too similar in color to the red data error icon. It would be much better to have the pedigree versions of the icons be the same color as the detail page icon. People will expect them to be the same and the lighter colors are much easier to tell apart.
Another problem is that the In Progress icon and the Records Hints icon are the same color. Changing the blue temple icon to the lighter blue found on the detail page would fix that.
The Research Help icons are consistent in regards to color between the two pages and look good.
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Here is what it currently looks like on someone that has both Hints and In Progress temple work:
If the colors are to have meaning, these colors need be different.
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Macbook Pro, Intel Core i5, Retina Display 13.3-inch (2560 × 1600), MacOS Monterey 12.6, Safari 16.0.
Navigation Problem:
- Have a landscape pedigree open.
- Expand the pedigree to the right three or four steps and drag it so that the focus person and the next two or three generations are off the screen.
- Pick any person on the screen and click on the name to open the side panel.
- In the side panel, click on View Tree.
- The screen does not show any part of the pedigree. No people can be seen.
- Click on the Reset View button to pull the new focus person to the middle of the screen.
To have the entire tree just vanish in steps 4 and 5 like that is not good.
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The home button is gone. Was that intentional?
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Macbook Pro, Intel Core i5, Retina Display 13.3-inch (2560 × 1600), MacOS Monterey 12.6, Safari 16.0.
As illustrated below, when I narrow my browser window from full screen to as narrow as possible, the header banner converts to a much shorter version which allows much more actual data to be seen. In the current new pedigree landscape when the side person panel is open, the banner takes nearly half of the screen height. Would it be possible, since the narrowed screen and the side panel are about the same width, to have the header banner in the side panel use the shortened version? That would then allow much more data to be displayed there without needing to scroll:
(Also, the temple section could easily be compressed vertically by about 25% without any loss of legibility.)
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Late to the party.
Windows 10, Chrome 107.0.5304.88, 64-bit. Tested on a 27-inch and a 32-inch monitor.
Long names run together, overlapping and out of the window in portrait view.
In landscape, the surname is lost. That has been the case in the previous versions.
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I prefer dark mode and to print to PDF the descendancy tree view. In Beta, the names are invisible, dates are very faint, and hints are invisible or absent.
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- I think the option to choose what to show is great. My selection is not consistent though. For example, when I choose Temple Ordinances to show, the temple icon disappears in First Ancestor even when temple ordinances are needed.
- I work on my laptop, and the individual detail appearing on the side big takes up too much monitor space. A small pop up like the old one is enough. I don't need to see all the detail information there.
- The interface is not consistent. Sometimes the viewing option comes before or after the Options. The look is also not consistent.
- Option interface and contents are not consistent. Some options are check boxes, and some are in bubbles. About the contents, I understand for Fan Chart, it might need to be different, but others should stay the same.
I think as default, all views should show the temple icon.
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(First Gen iPad Pro)
Functionality Issue:
- (See photo below for reference) At a certain point for portrait view, if I were to branch out only through my paternal line, I am unable to horizontally scroll left and view additional parent relationships. As seen in the photo below, the parents for X person is not fully in view because I am unable to scroll left horizontally anymore. It seems that this problem only affects the left side and not the right side of the screen.
blob:https://community.familysearch.org/59dd38d4-d1fb-4215-b1b1-2725df89af03Quality of Life Improvements:
- Add dark mode back, I enjoyed having this control of the background of the pedigree.
- Keep the same color pallets for ordinances (from the new person page): light green, light blue, and yellow.
- On the topic of temple ordinances, when I click on an ordinance icon, instead of just showing me what’s done and what needs to get done (or ordinances that have a yellow status), put it into distinctive sections as follows: Yellow ordinances, ordinances that are ready, and ordinances that have been completed. Or, take the approach that the end-user can customize it to their liking:
- By default how things are right now with the ordering of individuals is just fine, but,
- End-users can choose the order into which yellow ordinances, ordinances that are ready, ordinances that are reserved by them or someone else, and ordinances that have been completed are shown, and,
- End-users can toggle the visibility of yellow ordinances, ordinances that are ready, ordinances that are reserved by them or someone else, and ordinances that have been completed so they can pay attention to what they are looking for.
- For fixing data problems in the pedigree, instead of taking me all the way to the person page, it would be a lot more practical and easier to correct the place in the pedigree view, through the pop-up modal and not in a new tab.
There are things that this beta version gets right:
- Consistency with the rest of the site.
- Viewing and correcting un-standardized places (just needs to be in the pop-up, not a new tab or redirect).
- Viewing ordinance information to a greater extent within the pedigree view.
- I’m still trying to get along with the information that comes into view from the side when I click on a persons name, but I do love the idea!
- A home button! It was annoying trying to get back to my profile’s tree pedigree in the old version.
These are things which I would like to see added. But of the things that I want added the most for my research is the ability to customize how ordinances are shown in the pop-up when I click on a temple icon, and the functionality issue.
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An official group was created discussion the up coming changes to the pedigree views.
Please join the group below to help us tune the product and thank you for your help.
https://community.familysearch.org/en/group/320-tree-pedigree-views
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The option to view "children" doesn't display until I select "Marriages." Shouldn't these be separate options? "Alternate spouses and Parents" is already an option. I should only need to select which spouse then select children of that spouse without displaying the marriage information.
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Viewing on a 26" Dell monitor @ 1360 x 768 resolution, Windows 10, Chrome, desktop
Pros and Cons - viewing Portrait and Landscape (new vs old)
I think the new blue and pink avatars on the new version look much better than the greyed-out ones in the old version. Maybe adjust the pink on the face area (only) from colour de2b61 to e23a67 to make the female avatar a little more subtle.
The text in the new version of portrait mode is too small.
Portrait mode in the new version takes up a little too much space overall on-screen compared to the old version.
Like the added IDs in the new version of the portrait mode.
Larger avatars in the new version of portrait mode look better.
Avatars in the new version of landscape mode are too small.
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Is the Invert Colors option going away? If not, where is it now? It's nice to have on the landscape and portrait pedigree views....
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I just came to ask the same question. The invert colors option will be needed or the page will be unusable for some of us
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FYI, joining and posting in this new group https://community.familysearch.org/en/group/320-tree-pedigree-views will get better results and be easier for development to track.
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I have been using the new landscape pedigree view quite a bit, and while the bug of clicking a name to get the side panel view of information causes the view of the pedigree to shift back to the beginning is annoying, it only behaves that way the first time you click someone. I would still like it to be fixed, but I have learned to quickly click myself to get the side panel up, and then proceed. Having the ability to scroll through a lineage and be able to selectively view the side panel information with additional facts visible and without leaving the pedigree view is amazingly good. It is so much better than the old view when I have multiple windows open, trying to compare lineage information / sources in several several products (such as Ancestry and one other proprietary database). Thank you for this upgrade.
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