Michael,

With your permission, I'd like to so some major work on Gullau's record unless you want to do this yourself.

She was imported into Family Tree as the daughter of Ole Halvorsen and Gullau Jonsdatter with christening 12 Oct 1806 in Trysel, Hedmark, Norway. This completely conflicts with her current profile. Her original profile and information needs to be restored and the correct Gullau used as the starting point for your Gullau who married Mr. Løckra needs to be separated out.

Unfortunately this type of thing happens to Norwegians in Family Tree because so many people had the same name. But it is very important to have clean, clearly separated records because often the search and match routines will see underlying data that is confused and so pulls in more bad data.

May I take care of this for you?

I've separated the two Gullaus and cleaned up and sourced both records. Your Gullau now has ID LC3B-641.

You probably will notice that none of the place names on her record have map pin icons next to them. That is because the Places database of FamilySearch is very incomplete for this part, and most of, Norway. You still want to have correct place names despite this and what you will see if you open the Edit boxes is the correct way for doing this.

I had a little fun with her christening date by adding the date as it is given in her christening record. You certainly don't need to keep it that way, but I just wanted to show you to the power of Family Tree in letting us display data most accurately.

I hope this will be of benefit as an example of what can be done with Norwegian records and the available sources.

I found one firm piece of evidence for Hans, the 1865 census where he is a widower. His daughter Hanna and her illegitimate son are living with him: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01038276001964 This has been added to his record as a source. It states he was also born in Grytten about 1797. Checking the birth records for Grytten brings up this: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/255/pd00000042651412

Things fit nicely, but I am concerned that this family doesn't seem to be anywhere in the 1801 census. I can't figure out where they are hiding. There is a man with the same name as the father with a second wife and no children. That would imply that both the wife and child in the birth record died before 1801. Then it could not be your Hans.

Maybe other's on this board will have some ideas for you. I'll try looking a bit more, also. Keep searching! He's your family, maybe he will come out of hiding for you!

Had some time this morning to poke around a bit more.

Here is the 1801 census I referred to: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01058421000797 I still have no idea why no children are listed. I checked the actual image and they are not there. Maybe he, as a widower and just newly remarried, had the kids off living with relatives? Or maybe the census taker just forgot to write them down.

Taking that, the information from the birth record, finding a death record for the mother in the birth record that has both her: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/267/pg00000007156719 and her stillborn child: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/267/pg00000007156721 and finding a marriage record that was a possibility: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/327/pv00000010054119, it occurred to me to check back in the Raumadalsfolket book again (The People of Raumadal). Things finally came together.

In that book at https://www.romsdal-sogelag.no/uploads/kjeldeskrift/raumadalsfolket_2005.pdf you will find:

• Hans Hansson Løkra - Page 203, Løkra II, number 2d. No further information given on him but his birth place and date fit so well with the 1865 census and the other information you have for him that I am confident this is the correct person.
• His father: Hans Guttormsson Bjørli - page 203, Løkra II, number 1a. Lists his two wives, many children, some grandchildren, and a few great-grandchildren, and a few of great-great-grandchildren. There is a note that he and Ingelev probably had more children that would have been born at Leskjaskog. There is no listing for Bjørli in this book, but there is a village by the name of Bjørli in Leskja https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bjorli The wikipedia article says it lays on the Rauma river. There is a Leskja bygdebok (farm history) discussed here: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:Norway_Lesja_Parish_Bygdebok Towards the end of this it has a link to someone who apparently is willing to look up things in this work for people.
• His mother: Ingelev Olsdatter Brude - listed under Hans Guttormsson but also with her parents - page 47, Brude I, number 4b. Traces backward to her great-grandfather.
• His father's second wife: Bergithe aka Beret Andersdatter Slette - listed under Hans Guttormsson but also with her parents - page 39, Alnæs IV, number 4d.

Keeping in mind that the farther back in time you go, the more ancestors you will share with other people, and that fact that most people researching their Norwegian ancestors end up in the Bygdebok sooner or later, you are certain to start finding duplicates in Family Tree sooner or later. In this case, sooner. I took a look for Hans Guttormsson and Ingelev Olsdatter and found two duplicates for him. The first is an extraction record for the christening of one of their daughters. The second is a full blown compilation of the family. It looks like at least three people have worked in the bygdebok and other records through the years and currently someone has been merging all the duplicated from that past work. So Guttorm and Ingelev show with three copies of most of their children. In this listing none of the three copies of Hans have a wife, so your work going back to him has run into someone else's work going forward to him.

• Hans Guttormsson: https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/MQ7N-N28
• Hans Guttormsson: https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/KFT1-ZBB

As you work on cleaning up these record, pay careful attention to birth dates. Norwegian custom in the past was that if child died, the next child of the **** would be given the same name. So don't merge based on just name, be sure to determine correct birth/christening dates first and do not merge two children of the same name christened a year or more apart.

Between checking out the sources I've supplied, figuring out how to read the Raumadalsfolket book and adding missing people to Family Tree from that book, and collaborating with the contributor in Family Tree who has been working on Hans Guttormsson this past August to get all the children properly merged and source, you have a lot of work to do, so I will leave you to it.

A final note, Grytten municipality merged with several other communities in 1964 to form Rauma municipality (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grytten)

Here is the location of Løkra farm in Rauma: https://www.norgeskart.no/#!?project=norgeskart&layers=1002&zoom=13&lat=6933162.26&lon=140561.95&sok=løk,%20rauma&markerLat=6933162.256577952&markerLon=140561.95045961533&p=searchOptionsPanel

Had some time this morning to poke around a bit more.

Here is the 1801 census I referred to: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01058421000797 I still have no idea why no children are listed. I checked the actual image and they are not there. Maybe he, as a widower and just newly remarried, had the kids off living with relatives? Or maybe the census taker just forgot to write them down.

Taking that, the information from the birth record, finding a death record for the mother in the birth record that has both her: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/267/pg00000007156719 and her stillborn child: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/267/pg00000007156721 and finding a marriage record that was a possibility: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/327/pv00000010054119, it occurred to me to check back in the Raumadalsfolket book again (The People of Raumadal). Things finally came together.

In that book at https://www.romsdal-sogelag.no/uploads/kjeldeskrift/raumadalsfolket_2005.pdf you will find:

• Hans Hansson Løkra - Page 203, Løkra II, number 2d. No further information given on him but his birth place and date fit so well with the 1865 census and the other information you have for him that I am confident this is the correct person.
• His father: Hans Guttormsson Bjørli - page 203, Løkra II, number 1a. Lists his two wives, many children, some grandchildren, and a few great-grandchildren, and a few of great-great-grandchildren. There is a note that he and Ingelev probably had more children that would have been born at Leskjaskog. There is no listing for Bjørli in this book, but there is a village by the name of Bjørli in Leskja https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bjorli The wikipedia article says it lays on the Rauma river. There is a Leskja bygdebok (farm history) discussed here: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Space:Norway_Lesja_Parish_Bygdebok Towards the end of this it has a link to someone who apparently is willing to look up things in this work for people.
• His mother: Ingelev Olsdatter Brude - listed under Hans Guttormsson but also with her parents - page 47, Brude I, number 4b. Traces backward to her great-grandfather.
• His father's second wife: Bergithe aka Beret Andersdatter Slette - listed under Hans Guttormsson but also with her parents - page 39, Alnæs IV, number 4d.

Keeping in mind that the farther back in time you go, the more ancestors you will share with other people, and that fact that most people researching their Norwegian ancestors end up in the Bygdebok sooner or later, you are certain to start finding duplicates in Family Tree sooner or later. In this case, sooner. I took a look for Hans Guttormsson and Ingelev Olsdatter and found two duplicates for him. The first is an extraction record for the christening of one of their daughters. The second is a full blown compilation of the family. It looks like at least three people have worked in the bygdebok and other records through the years and currently someone has been merging all the duplicated from that past work. So Guttorm and Ingelev show with three copies of most of their children. In this listing none of the three copies of Hans have a wife, so your work going back to him has run into someone else's work going forward to him.

• Hans Guttormsson: https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/MQ7N-N28
• Hans Guttormsson: https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/KFT1-ZBB

As you work on cleaning up these record, pay careful attention to birth dates. Norwegian custom in the past was that if child died, the next child of the **** would be given the same name. So don't merge based on just name, be sure to determine correct birth/christening dates first and do not merge two children of the same name christened a year or more apart.

Between checking out the sources I've supplied, figuring out how to read the Raumadalsfolket book and adding missing people to Family Tree from that book, and collaborating with the contributor in Family Tree who has been working on Hans Guttormsson this past August to get all the children properly merged and sourced, you have a lot of work to do, so I will leave you to it.

A final note, Grytten municipality merged with several other communities in 1964 to form Rauma municipality (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grytten)

Here is the location of Løkra farm in Rauma: https://www.norgeskart.no/#!?project=norgeskart&layers=1002&zoom=13&lat=6933162.26&lon=140561.95&sok=løk,%20rauma&markerLat=6933162.256577952&markerLon=140561.95045961533&p=searchOptionsPanel

Keeping in mind that the farther back in time you go, the more ancestors you will share with other people, and that fact that most people researching their Norwegian ancestors end up in the Bygdebok sooner or later, you are certain to start finding duplicates in Family Tree sooner or later. In this case, sooner. I took a look for Hans Guttormsson and Ingelev Olsdatter and found two duplicates for him. The first is an extraction record for the christening of one of their daughters. The second is a full blown compilation of the family. It looks like at least three people have worked in the bygdebok and other records through the years and currently someone has been merging all the duplicated from that past work. So Guttorm and Ingelev show with three copies of most of their children. In this listing none of the three copies of Hans have a wife, so your work going back to him has run into someone else's work going forward to him. 

• Hans Guttormsson: https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/MQ7N-N28
• Hans Guttormsson: https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/KFT1-ZBB

As you work on cleaning up these record, pay careful attention to birth dates. Norwegian custom in the past was that if child died, the next child of the **** would be given the same name. So don't merge based on just name, be sure to determine correct birth/christening dates first and do not merge two children of the same name christened a year or more apart. 

Between checking out the sources I've supplied, figuring out how to read the Raumadalsfolket book and adding missing people to Family Tree from that book, and collaborating with the contributor in Family Tree who has been working on Hans Guttormsson this past August to get all the children properly merged and source, you have a lot of work to do, so I will leave you to it.

A final note, Grytten municipality merged with several other communities in 1964 to form Rauma municipality (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grytten)

Here is the location of Løkra farm in Rauma: https://www.norgeskart.no/#!?project=norgeskart&layers=1002&zoom=13&lat=6933162.26&lon=140561.95&sok=løk,%20rauma&markerLat=6933162.256577952&markerLon=140561.95045961533&p=searchOptionsPanel

Keeping in mind that the farther back in time you go, the more ancestors you will share with other people, and that fact that most people researching their Norwegian ancestors end up in the Bygdebok sooner or later, you are certain to start finding duplicates in Family Tree sooner or later. In this case, sooner. I took a look for Hans Guttormsson and Ingelev Olsdatter and found two duplicates for him. The first is an extraction record for the christening of one of their daughters. The second is a full blown compilation of the family. It looks like at least three people have worked in the bygdebok and other records through the years and currently someone has been merging all the duplicated from that past work. So Guttorm and Ingelev show with three copies of most of their children. In this listing none of the three copies of Hans have a wife, so your work going back to him has run into someone else's work going forward to him. 

• Hans Guttormsson: https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/MQ7N-N28
• Hans Guttormsson: https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/KFT1-ZBB

As you work on cleaning up these record, pay careful attention to birth dates. Norwegian custom in the past was that if child died, the next child of the **** would be given the same name. So don't merge based on just name, be sure to determine correct birth/christening dates first and do not merge two children of the same name christened a year or more apart. 

Between checking out the sources I've supplied, figuring out how to read the Raumadalsfolket book and adding missing people to Family Tree from that book, and collaborating with the contributor in Family Tree who has been working on Hans Guttormsson this past August to get all the children properly merged and source, you have a lot of work to do, so I will leave you to it.

A final note, Grytten municipality merged with several other communities in 1964 to form Rauma municipality (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grytten)

Here is the location of Løkra farm in Rauma: https://www.norgeskart.no/#!?project=norgeskart&layers=1002&zoom=13&lat=6933162.26&lon=140561.95&sok=løk,%20rauma&markerLat=6933162.256577952&markerLon=140561.95045961533&p=search

Keeping in mind that the farther back in time you go, the more ancestors you will share with other people, and that fact that most people researching their Norwegian ancestors end up in the Bygdebok sooner or later, you are certain to start finding duplicates in Family Tree sooner or later. In this case, sooner. I took a look for Hans Guttormsson and Ingelev Olsdatter and found two duplicates for him. The first is an extraction record for the christening of one of their daughters. The second is a full blown compilation of the family. It looks like at least three people have worked in the bygdebok and other records through the years and currently someone has been merging all the duplicated from that past work. So Guttorm and Ingelev show with three copies of most of their children. In this listing none of the three copies of Hans have a wife, so your work going back to him has run into someone else's work going forward to him. 

• Hans Guttormsson: https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/MQ7N-N28
• Hans Guttormsson: https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/KFT1-ZBB

As you work on cleaning up these record, pay careful attention to birth dates. Norwegian custom in the past was that if child died, the next child of the **** would be given the same name. So don't merge based on just name, be sure to determine correct birth/christening dates first and do not merge two children of the same name christened a year or more apart. 

Between checking out the sources I've supplied, figuring out how to read the Raumadalsfolket book and adding missing people to Family Tree from that book, and collaborating with the contributor in Family Tree who has been working on Hans Guttormsson this past August to get all the children properly merged and source, you have a lot of work to do, so I will leave you to it.

A final note, Grytten municipality merged with several other communities in 1964 to form Rauma municipality (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grytten)

Here is the location of Løkra farm in Rauma: https://www.norgeskart.no/#!?project=norgeskart&layers=1002&zoom=13&lat=6933162.26&lon=140561.95&sok=løk,%20rauma&markerLat=6933162.256577952&markerLon=140561.95045961533&p=search

Keeping in mind that the farther back in time you go, the more ancestors you will share with other people, and that fact that most people researching their Norwegian ancestors end up in the Bygdebok sooner or later, you are certain to start finding duplicates in Family Tree sooner or later. In this case, sooner. I took a look for Hans Guttormsson and Ingelev Olsdatter and found two duplicates for him. The first is an extraction record for the christening of one of their daughters. The second is a full blown compilation of the family. It looks like at least three people have worked in the bygdebok and other records through the years and currently someone has been merging all the duplicated from that past work. So Guttorm and Ingelev show with three copies of most of their children. In this listing none of the three copies of Hans have a wife, so your work going back to him has run into someone else's work going forward to him. 

• Hans Guttormsson: https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/MQ7N-N28
• Hans Guttormsson: https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/KFT1-ZBB

As you work on cleaning up these record, pay careful attention to birth dates. Norwegian custom in the past was that if child died, the next child of the **** would be given the same name. So don't merge based on just name, be sure to determine correct birth/christening dates first and do not merge two children of the same name christened a year or more apart. 

Between checking out the sources I've supplied, figuring out how to read the Raumadalsfolket book and adding missing people to Family Tree from that book, and collaborating with the contributor in Family Tree who has been working on Hans Guttormsson this past August to get all the children properly merged and source, you have a lot of work to do, so I will leave you to it.

Keeping in mind that the farther back in time you go, the more ancestors you will share with other people, and that fact that most people researching their Norwegian ancestors end up in the Bygdebok sooner or later, you are certain to start finding duplicates in Family Tree sooner or later. In this case, sooner. I took a look for Hans Guttormsson and Ingelev Olsdatter and found two duplicates for him. The first is an extraction record for the christening of one of their daughters. The second is a full blown compilation of the family. It looks like at least three people have worked in the bygdebok and other records through the years and currently someone has been merging all the duplicated from that past work. So Guttorm and Ingelev show with three copies of most of their children. In this listing none of the three copies of Hans have a wife, so your work going back to him has run into someone else's work going forward to him.

Hans Guttormsson: https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/MQ7N-N28


Hans Guttormsson: https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/KFT1-ZBB


As you work on cleaning up these record, pay careful attention to birth dates. Norwegian custom in the past was that if child died, the next child of the **** would be given the same name. So don't merge based on just name, be sure to determine correct birth/christening dates first and do not merge two children of the same name christened a year or more apart.

Between checking out the sources I've supplied, figuring out how to read the Raumadalsfolket book and adding missing people to Family Tree from that book, and collaborating with the contributor in Family Tree who has been working on Hans Guttormsson this past August to get all the children properly merged and source, you have a lot of work to do, so I will leave you to it.

Hans Guttormsson: https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/MQ7N-N28

Hans Guttormsson: https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/KFT1-ZBB

As you work on cleaning up these record, pay careful attention to birth dates. Norwegian custom in the past was that if child died, the next child of the **** would be given the same name. So don't merge based on just name, be sure to determine correct birth/christening dates first and do not merge two children of the same name christened a year or more apart.

Between checking out the sources I've supplied, figuring out how to read the Raumadalsfolket book and adding missing people to Family Tree from that book, and collaborating with the contributor in Family Tree who has been working on Hans Guttormsson this past August to get all the children properly merged and source, you have a lot of work to do, so I will leave you to it.

(This site is acting very strange today and not posting. I've tried this repeated and barely able to force bits and pieces.)

Hello, again. Hope you have made some good progress in your research. Looking back at my posts, it looks like the day I was working, Communities really was having a lot of problems in that my posts keep vanishing and now have all reappeared so there are multiple duplicates. Sure looks confusing. Oh, well.

Regarding the book for Raumadal, if you have found the structure confusing, I’ll run through a few things.

Farms were divided in to sections that each at lease a number, if not their own name. So the main Løkra farm (gård) was divided into various sections (Bruk) and your ancestors lived on Løkra section 2, which also went by the name of Løkra. So they are found on page 203 under Løkra II.

The author arranged his information as a descendancy chart and numbering people accordingly, starting with the oldest ancestor as 1a. His children all have the number 2, his grandchildren 3, etc. Letters designate birth order. Grandchildren, etc., are clustered under their parents. Also some people feel the patronymic naming system is really confusing, I find it a great help in situations like this book where it really helps keep straight whose children are whose. Also very helpful is the use of farm names. These surnames both identify people and where they are from.

One thing more about this book that you are probably finding challenging is that he uses all of the standard Norwegian genealogical abbreviations that Google translate will not be able to handle at all. Here is the first paragraph under Løkra II:

1a. Hans Guttormsen Bjørli.
får skjøte 3-7-1794 på 1 vog, 12 mk. av gården løkra for 340 rd. fra Nils Ellingsen.
1g. 2-7-1777 i Kors Kirke m. p. Ingelev Olsdtr. Brude, f. 1757. Hennes stamtavle, Brude I, 4b. 2g. 6. s. e. Paaske 1800 i Kors Kirke m. p. Birgithe Andersdtr. Sletta, f. 1764.
Hennes stamtavle, Alnæs IV, 4d. 5 barn i første og 4 barn i annet ekteskap: Han må ha hatt flere barn, - disse må da sannsynligvis være født i Lesjaskog.

First step in interpreting this is to expand all the abbreviations and break up the paragraph a bit:

1a. Hans Guttormsen Bjørli.
får skjøte 3-7-1794 på 1 vog, 12 mk. av gården Løkra for 340 riksdollar fra Nils Ellingsen.


1st gang giftet seg 2-7-1777 i Kors Kirke med pike Ingelev Olsdatter Brude, f. 1757. Hennes stamtavle, Brude I, 4b.

2nd gang giftet seg. 6th søndag etter Paaske 1800 i Kors Kirke med pike Birgithe Andersdatter Sletta, f. 1764. Hennes stamtavle, Alnæs IV, 4d.

5 barn i første og 4 barn i annet ekteskap: Han må ha hatt flere barn, - disse må da sannsynligvis være født i Lesjaskog.

Translated, this becomes:

1a. Hans Guttormsen Bjørli.
received possession (of Løkra II) on 3-July-1794 for 1 vog, 12 mk. (I don’t know what these units of measure are equivalent to) of the farm Løkra for 340 riksdollar fra Nils Ellingsen.


1st time was married 2-July-1777 in Kors Kirke with maiden Ingelev Olsdatter Brude, born 1757. Her pedigree is found under: Brude I, 4b. (section of this book).

2nd time was married the 6th Sunday after Easter in 1800 in Kors Kirke with maiden Birgithe Andersdatter Sletta, born 1764. Her pedigree is found under: Alnæs IV, 4d.

5 children in first og 4 childen in second marriages: He must have had more children - these were probably born in Lesjaskog. (And so would be found in the church records or maybe the bygebok for Lesjaskog.

Looking down the page after Hans Guttormsen Bjørli on page 203 and 204, you will find people labeled 2a. through 2i. These are his nine children in his two marriages. Notice that all of them have the patronymic of Hansen or Hansdatter and the surname of Løkra that helps show they are his children and all were born at Løkra.

Under 2a, Berith, you have her birth year, marriage date, husband, and a note that there are no children for them listed in the Grytten parish records. So they either didn’t have children or they moved to a different parish.

Under 2b, Guttorm, you have her birth year, occupation of shoemaker, marriage year, wife and her birth year. and under that their nine children labeled 3a through 3i.

Your Hans Hansen Løkra is 2d. He is not listed with more information, probably because he moved away.

As you go down the list of Hans Guttormsen Bjørli, one way to keep from getting confused is to view each new number and a new indent or outdent, so you are really looking at:

1a

------- 2a

------- 2b

-------------- 3a-i (children of 2b)

------- 2c-g

------- 2h

-------------- 3a (child of 2h)

--------------------- 4a-h (children of 3a)

--------------------- 4i (another child of 3a)

---------------------------- 5a-i (children of 4i)

--------------------- 4J (another child of 3a)

-------------- 3b (child of 2h)

------- 2i

Hope this is enough to get you started. Let me know what else is not making sense here, or what you need translated.