I am working on the Nederlands Noordholland death records Amsterdam 1811-1950 - D

HornabrookElisabethAdriana1

I am reviewing the records and find that Index pages, which should not be extracted are in this bunch of records. Right now I am at the 53% mark and cannot go any further. Can you please look at this project and delete those pages so that the work can go. I also notice that the indexers are stuck at the 56%. I am sure they are having the same issues.

Fritz Juengling

Hi there,

unfortunately, this forum has nothing to do with indexing at all and cannot delete or change anything with those projects. There is a group @Indexing Chat​  that might be able to deal with it. Post your question there. I think there is also probably a feedback button on the project itself where you can voice your concerns.

Hope this helps.

J C Bingham

I hate to be the bearer of bad news as well, but the members of the Indexing Chat group who are mostly volunteers who index and review like yourself will not likely be able to do what you are asking to have done. You should contact FamilySearch through the Contact Us link found when you click the circled question mark on your Web Indexing page.

LegacyUser

Thank you for your advise. I will try what you suggested.

Anitahayes

This has been brought up in Indexing chat a few days ago and FS has said to index the pages. I have messaged FS yesterday to ask them to clarify the instructions and put it in the Project Instructions.

Melissa S Himes

The project instructions say to mark Indexes as No, No Extractable Data (NED). Why aren't the reviewers and indexers marking them as NED? That will move the project along.

Anitahayes

Because they are not indexes. They are records from before 1811. I have asked FS to add to the PI regarding dates outside the range, but they haven't as yet. At the moment we have FS saying index the records from before 1811, but most people not knowing that. I can't imagine how many batches are circling around at the moment.

Melissa S Himes

Oh, I thought the post was about Index pages holding the project up.

Is this the project? https://www.familysearch.org/indexing/batch/052fe2d9-356b-48d3-a6f2-2b1bda73b6e8

This looks like an index to me. This might be an example of why people are confused.

Anitahayes

Hi @Melissa S Himes​ ,

That is a death register from a hospital, listing cause of death, but since it is from 1788 (before civil registration) it is not clear in the instructions: it is a death entry, and all of those need indexing, but it is outside the project dates, so does it need indexing? On many PIs for UK projects the instructions state to index documents from outside the given dates, but this one doesn't say anything. There is also a book of that states the pick up of bodies, some named, some not named, again from before 1811. Can you imagine we would like clarification?

 

Melissa S Himes

Thanks for explaining what the batch I shared says, @Anitahayes Anitahayes​. I just pulled up a batch to read the project instructions, and that happened to be the one! Without seeing the types of images that Elisabeth is finding cumbersome to the completion of the project, I thought it might help to view an image. I think it has, since this one has been marked No, No Extractable Data and apparently should be sent back for reindexing based on the project instructions.

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In all the projects I have worked on, when instructions stay to Index all death records, as this one does, the dates shouldn't matter. Generally, we index all records in a project UNLESS the project instructions say otherwise.

 

Should I index a record that is outside of the project date range?

Article Id: 1618

Published November 30, 2020

Sometimes a record will include a date that is outside of the date range indicated in the title of the project.Unless the project instructions or field helps indicate differently, go ahead and index the record anyways. FamilySearch always checks the dates and displays only records that meet the rights of privacy rules.

Thank you for your observations and your help in keeping our records accurate.

https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/should-i-index-a-record-that-is-outside-of-the-project-date-range

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I wonder if the problem with this project is that indexers and reviewers don't understand the language, or don't understand that we index images with indexes when they have a date and a name.

https://www.familysearch.org/help/helpcenter/article/how-do-i-index-records-with-indexes

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It is amazing to me that this project has a broken link to Basic Indexing Guidelines. They no longer exist and haven't since the beginning of Web-Indexing.

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I hope you get some help on getting this straightened out!

Anitahayes

Thanks @Melissa S Himes​ , I just picked one up from the other book, a little easier to read than the ones I have seen before. (https://www.familysearch.org/indexing/batch/7136f710-af6e-476b-8bc0-ccb9e9a59e15 if you want to see it). The instruction you refer to makes sense, but it would still help to have that one extra sentence in the PI - then lots of people could work instead of discussing what should be done and waiting for an answer.

About the broken link, that is could be because this project has been going for years (part A, B , C completed) and they probably used the same instructions. Not as many people working on Dutch projects as there are on English ones.