Domenico Libero Antonio Abbate marriage to Maria Rosa Cardillo
I haven't found where Maria came to US yet, but we have ship record of Domenico coming in 1905 as "married" but no marriage records in Aquila, Italy for him.
Maria was born 2/18/1876 in Ausonia, Italy to Raimondo Cardillo and Porzia Clemente
Domenico was born 3/29/1822 in Aquila, Italy (father Domenico Antonio Abbate and mother Raphaela DiNardo) - he registered his name as D. Libero Abbate on ship manifest, but went by Antonio after entering US at Ellis Island
I am trying to find their marriage record. I have confirmed their first daughter was baptized at a church in Utica (2 months after birth which raises questions why; maybe they were moving), but they have no marriage record there. I am waiting on 2 other churches in Utica to research a marriage. I am not sure they were married in Utica. Family recollections are that neither knew each other in Italy and that Maria ran away from home to go to America as she did not like her step-mother (who we still need a record of).
Can anyone help me firm up some of these records, please?
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@Tammy Covey Are you able to confirm the birth year for Domenico? 1822? The 54 year age difference strikes me as unlikely and that there is a typo somewhere.
Birth record for Maria Rosa Cardillo, born 17-Feb-1876 in Ausonia, Frosinone, Italy (reported on 18-Feb-1876)
https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ua36010986/0AjJApm
I'll check birth record for Domenico once you confirm his birth year.
With regard to your question, it is important to check the birth records first because marriages may be documented in the margin.
Can you provide name and birth/baptism information for the daughter baptised in Utica? We need a year and a name to work with.
I have found one Maria Cardillo arriving 15-Nov-1905, age 30, with a residence of Ausonia, but she is listed as married and head to her husband with a very different name. Do you have arrival information for Maria in your records?
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I apologize … Domenico's DOB is 3/29/1882 (died 1953 in Mason City IA) from Italian records (obtained this year from the Aquino commune as there are no online antenati records in 1822 for Aquino) and yes on Maria Rosa was born in 1876 from birth record on portali antenati. No record of marriage for Aquino or Ausonia for either of them but feel free to check as my Italian is not fluent. Maria died 1960 in Mason City IA.
Daughter is Giuseppina (Josephina) Abbate born 4/7/1908 in Utica NY, baptized at St Mary's Mt Carmel Church in Utica on 6/7/1908, died 11/4/1909 in Mason City IA
Maria Cardillo you found from Ausonia is a cousin and was meeting her husband in Pennsylvania. We followed that trail and it is not our Maria. I have yet to find our Maria coming on a ship. I have found a couple, but am unsure which is her. Since she was running from her family, it is possible she gave a different name. I have checked under her mother's maiden name and no good there either.
In 1910 census, Domenico (Antonio) stated he married at age 25, which would put marriage around 1907. The census records have the wrong age for Maria Rosa. Family says she did not know when she was born. Also, Domenico naturalized but Maria Rosa did not.0 -
Great, thanks for the updated info.
Since "the family says she did not know when she was born," can you share how you came to be sure that the date of birth and town for Maria is correct? Since her name is rather common, it is possible that there's a same-name error and the birth record we found (and related passenger data) could be off - and, perhaps, that's the reason her immigration is so hard to find. Do you have a link to her death record?
Domenico's birth record is on this film https://www.familysearch.org/search/film/007972893?cat=130588
That film can only be accessed at a Family Search Center or Affiliated Library, so a trusted colleague may be able to get it for me. She will let me know.I'll keep poking around.
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That bites! I have to type my comment all over!
I meant to type that Maria Rosa didn't know "when", according to my Aunt. However, I don't believe that, she was able to read and write and the family had her birth date to list on a death certificate (which I don't have yet). I do have her birth record from Antenati and the parents are correct. Page 6 https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ua36010986/0AjJApm
and her FamilySearch ID is GHCQ-24B if you want to look at my record and notes.Her death was recorded in the Iowa Globe Gazette 7/29/60 (a Friday) that she had passed Thursday night and it lists her birth and parents (although the family always had the first and last names switched. Her mother is Porzia Clemente Cardillo).
I do have Domenico's death certificate, but I do not have Maria Rosa's. Their gravestone lists the correct birth and death year. It looks like she abandoned the "Maria" part of her name when she came to the US (again, I have not found the correct manifest) and went by either Rose or Rosa.
I would like to find their marriage record, Maria Rosa's death certificate and a copy of Domenico's birth record from 1882. As I said, I do have a certified Aquino commune copy of his birth dated this year. Since their daughter was born in 1908 and baptized in Utica NY, I feel they were married around that area, maybe even Buffalo. The Utica NY newspaper clipping of Giuseppina's birth states their address was 17 Buffalo, but there has never been a Buffalo street in Utica which makes me wonder if they were married in Buffalo. I have had the Utica clerk research their records, and they have no marriage for them. Domenico went by Antonio or Tony later in life. I have also contacted the Utica Catholic churches and waiting on 2 to call me back about a marriage. So, I'm stuck.
I am very appreciative of your assistance with my family. I have been symied in this area for quite some time. Hopefully, you are able to find these missing pieces.
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Hi Tammy
As you can see from my very first reply to your post, I already had found the birth record that corresponds to the date you gave, the location, and those parents.
There's a reason I asked if you were sure about the date (having not seen the obituary). As you can see from the family tree you are working on, in Italian genealogy, the names of the first 4 children (assuming 2 of each gender) are predetermined. They correspond to the names of the parents of the couple. So, if the Maria Rosa that was born in 1876 had died as an infant, the very next female would have been named Maria Rosa, since this is the name of her father's mother. So, there could be several Maria Rosa Cardillos in that town, especially since Raimondo had two wives. This is the reason professional Italian genealogists start with the marriage document and go through every year thereafter looking for births (and deaths), because there are often repeated names born to the same couple.
Frequently, Italian girls were given the name Maria xxxxxx, with Maria being a sort of honorific that was dropped later in life.If they were married in one of the upper counties of New York, it may be very difficult to find the marriage document. We'll see.
The hunt continues - I'll keep you posted.
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Most likely arrival for Maria Rosa Cardillo: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JFSC-GY9 Line 11
Zoom in and look carefully, I think you will agree. Take the listed age with a grain of salt.
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Ahh, I see what you're saying on the naming. Just like her mother Porzia was named after her grandmother. And here I was thinking the ages on the manifest would be "correct".
Oh, I see her sister Civita! Rosa named herself Boni? No, it is translation error, I see Maria. Civita is her sister, married to the De Simone. I looked, and don't remember seeing this one on Ellis Island. I believe we have a match. My aunt told me that she worked for a garment factory and that's where she met Domenico.
Domenico arrived in NY 3/22/1905 aboard Calabria as D. Libero Abbate (Libero was such a very uncommon name), so a little later than Maria. He was going to a cousin in Utica as well (Biagio Massaro).
Thank you! Now for a marriage and death record. Hopefully some day I will be as knowledgeable and helpful to others.
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That manifest was found using the stevemorse gold form method, located here: https://stevemorse.org/ellis2/ellisgold.html
By searching for a First name that "Contains" Ros and a Last name that begins with "Card" and arrivals from 1900 to 1906, no ages or dates of birth.
The results are easy enough to peruse looking for Ausonia (or variations) and Caserta
As soon as I saw Boni Rosa, I knew there was a transcription error.That sends you to the Ellis Island manifest, which then allows you to find it on FS or Ancestry
Then the sister and Utica NY cinched it.
UPDATE: I found and added a sister, born in 1871: Maria Felice Cardillo - the gap between 1868 and 1873 was way too bit for there to be no children
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I remember looking at the Stevemorse records, but shouldn't have been so strict with my search criteria LOL. Thank you for the research and add of Maria Felice.
Also, where would I go to find Domenico's naturalization record? We know he naturalized based on census between 1943-1950 as there is an Alien Enemies record requesting he have exception from classification of alien entry dated 5/15/1943. Could you direct me?
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I will look around online, but it is hard without knowing more about when he petitioned, when it was granted, etc.
Your best bet may be a phone call AND an email to NARA at Kansas City: https://www.archives.gov/kansas-city
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On the 1910 Mason City census, it says that he applied for his naturalization papers in 1905. Granted between 1943-1950 as he was naturalized on 1950 census.
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That 1905 reference is his year of immigration. The next column means he submitted his First Papers (usually 5 years hence). He would not have submitted First Papers in Utica, having just arrived. So, we'll be looking for soemthing in and among these two record collections:
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/427042?availability=Family%20History%20Library
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/2820318?availability=Family%20History%20Library
We'll see - I need my colleague's help to access the first set since they are restricted.
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Sorry, it's been a couple of busy months.
To confirm: Domenico Abbate was born March 29, 1882 in Aquino Italy. I do have his birth record from 1882 as well as a current certified record from Italy.
I have been doing more research and have found some more information:
Giuseppina Abbate, daughter of Domenico and Rosa, was born April 7, 1908 according to a "birth index". I was also able to find a church in Utica where she was baptized on June 7, 1908 but they list her date of birth as April 15, 1908. My great-grandparents were listed as Antonio Abbate and Rosa Cardillo. I asked the church to search their records for a marriage between them and there is none. It's interesting she listed her maiden name on the baptism record. I still need a marriage record.
Maria Rosa Cardillo arrived in the US aboard the ship Patriso on January 10, 1905 and going to her sister Civita Abbate De Simone and her husband Luigi which I already have confirmed her as a sister. Originally, the record was mis-recorded as Baria which is why I could not find it. That other "Maria" I had already followed the leads and it is not "my" Maria, but is most likely a cousin since they are both from Ausonia.
I still have not found a marriage record for Domenico Antonio Libero Abbate (or any of his single names he used) or Maria Rosa Cardillo in either New York or Italy. They left New York in 1908 after the birth of their daughter, and moved to Mason City, Iowa where their daughter passed away and the rest of their children were born.
Thank you so much for your assistance!
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