translation of 4g grandfather's birth cert Schluchtern from 1758

JohnSatterlee

It would be great to get a second pair of eyes on this to help check for mistakes. I could not tell if the word after Eva was a maiden name or something else. Many thanks in advance!

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28 7bris  Baptizetus Joes Tobias filius legitmus Mathai Nenninger et Eva zugum, levante Tobias Dumberger , cui apostalet Catherine Knobben hu.

28 Sept.  Baptized Joes Tobias, son of Mathai Nenninger and Eva Zugum, raising Tobias Dumberger, to whom Catherine Knobben was apostolate.

WSeelentag

I'm not sure about the Jugum/Zugum (it will be a surname): is the record available online? With records available online always(!) the link should be given: it may be essential to be able to view a larger number of entries to "learn" a given handwriting. 

Joannes Tobias was the legitimate son of Mathaeus Nenninger and Eva Jugum/Zugum(?). Witness was Tobias Dumberger, assisted by Catharina Knoll.

sylviaelchinger1

The entry below the one in question also has a Maria Eva Zugum - it's definitely not a "J" like in Joannes.

WSeelentag

I agree with the difference Z[ugum] and J[oes] - but still would like to see a larger section, better a link (if available online).

For some reason my transcription got lost - so here it is again:

Baptizatus e[st] Jo[ann]es Tobias filius legitimus Mathae[i] Nenninger et Eva Zugum, levante Tobia[s] Dumberger cui assistebat Catharina Knollin.

JohnSatterlee

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Thank you for looking at it! Attached is half the page from Rottenburg Archives. This is not available online or I would have included the link. I only have a whole page in pdf which I cannot upload, and other formats I tried were blurry.

WSeelentag

Thank you for the image - although only half a page, it includes another interesting entry with

which I read as Zwing: a completely different Z compared with Zugum ... which obviously was a dominant family in Schluchtern ... in all 4 entries the mother is a Zugum ... or is that some sort of family oriented (instead of chronological) register?

WSeelentag

On another aspect: attachments.

pdf is not allowed here, I assume due to safety considerations.

You have converted the image to png. png is a loss-free format, to be recommended when an image is going to be edited, re-saved, edited, re.saved, ...: you don't loose image quality, but get huge files. Your half page is 5.4 MB.

I have downloaded it, converted to jpg (keeping resolution, minimal compression) ... the resulting file was only 655 kB ... and I assume the full page as jpg would not have exceeded the file size limits of this platform. Here's a comparison (cut-outs from both versions):

can you tell the difference - which is the better? I would say at least both are sufficient quality for a transcription.

BTW: if an image (e.g. a scan) is stored as pdf, it actually is jpg with just a different ending 🤔.

JohnSatterlee

Thank you for the help. I think actually the word after Eva is jugum which according to this Family Search Latin word list is short for conjugum and means married couple. 8/9 of the entries on this page of baptisms have this word after the couple's names. On this word list, levantes is listed as meaning godparents. https://www.familysearch.org/en/wiki/Latin_Genealogical_Word_List

28 7bris  Baptizetus Joes Tobias filius legitmus Mathai Nenninger et Eva jugum, levante Tobias Dumberger , cui apostalet Catherine Knobben hu.

28 Sept.  Baptized Joes Tobias, son of Mathai Nenninger and Eva married couple, godparents Tobias Dumberger, to whom Catherine Knobben was apostolate.