Great grandparents marriage record in Pietravairano, Caserta, or Ausonia, Frosinone, Italy
We are traveling to Pietravairano, Italy for the first time in one week. I have been researching in the Italian records for the last few years for my husband's family. I can't find the marriage record for his great grandparents because apparently the marriage records in 1903 and 1904 are not filmed in Pietravairano or Ausonia.
Giuseppe Piscione, born on 11 April 1877 in PIetravairano , LZKR-83Z
Maria Giovanna Prumo, born 23 April 1878 Ausonia, Frosinone, Lazio, Italy, LZPW-X47
Do you have any suggestions on where I might find the marriage record?
I would also like to find the church the Pisciones attended in Pietravairano. The civil records haven't shown that.
I really appreciate all your help!
Emily Piscione
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The state archives will have a copy of everything the comune does or did have. Ask them.
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I hope you enjoy your trip to Italy!!
Civil birth of Giuseppe Piscione: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-897N-QJN7?i=200&cc=2043630&cat=42019
Civil birth of Maria Giovanna Prumo: https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ua36010988/Lpgp2yl
All that said, I highly, highly doubt these two were married in Italy! Had they married in Italy, we'd see a marriage annotation on each of their birth records, like we see on other records in the same books. Furthermore, the distance between Pietravairano and Ausonia (55km) is quite far for the time period. It's very rare to find two people from distant rural towns in Italy marrying, because there is just not reason for either or them to have moved to the other's town so they could meet. On the other hand, in the USA, Italian-American immigrants married people from other towns and regions all the time. Finally, looking at your family tree, I see you have their first child is born in the USA, and that you have both of them and some of their siblings immigrating to the USA as early as the 1890s. With all this evidence, I believe it's far more likely that they met and married in the USA!
Nonetheless, to answer your questions:
For Pietravairano, the records are filmed right up to 1929, see the catalog: https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/42019?availability=Family%20History%20Library The years you are looking for are in film number 1801471, DGS number 7063128. Note that you should search both "matrimoni" and "pubblicazioni" records. Whereas the "matrimonio" record will be present only in the comune where the marriage took place, the "pubblicazione" record will be present in both the bride and groom's hometown.
For Ausonia though, you are correct, nothing has been filmed later than 1902. The only way to access civil records after 1902 would be via official channels, but this is normally only possible for legitimate legal reasons. You can still try contacting the Comune of Ausonia stato civile office, but there's no guarantee they'll accept your research request.
As for churches, civil records do not indicate any religious info. Exceptionally, the civil births and marriages from 1820-1865 do indicate with which parish church the baptism or marriage was registered. Most small towns had just 1 parish church, so that's easy. However, there were typically many smaller non-parish churches and chapels as well. The sacrament of baptism was always done exclusively at the parish church, so it's easy to see where that would have happened. Marriages and funerals too were usually done at the parish church too, but not always. On the other hand, regular weekly worship could have been done at any church or chapel in town, and we really can't know which one they would have attended on a regular basis.
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Thank you again! This information is very helpful!
Emily
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@emilypiscione1 It's my pleasure!
Since you'll actually be in your ancestral hometowns, will you consider attempting to access pre-1809 church records? Note that church records in Italy are NOT considered public records, so any access or consultation is solely at the discretion of the parish priest! Of course, since you'll be in town regardless, there's nothing to lose visiting the church during office hours and asking the priest if it's possible to do research in the pre-1809 records. Just be sure to keep expectations low so that you are not disappointed!
I find that priests in Italy are 50/50. Some will be absolutely thrilled that people are interested in local history and came all this way to research their roots, but others will be apprehensive either due to concerns about damaging the old records, or due to simple distrust of outsiders.
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That would be amazing and I would love to give it a try. I just have to find which church my ancestors were actually baptized and married in so I go to correct church with their records. I have to figure that out.
thank you again for your help!!
Emily
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Pick the oldest Catholic one in town and that'll be a good bet.
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For most small towns in Italy, there is only 1 parish church, so it's straightforward to know where the records would be held.
In cases where there was more than 1 parish in town, you'll need to be more careful to try to determine which parish your ancestors belonged to. The civil births and marriages for the period 1820-1865 include the parish information, as do the baptism and death certificates that are sometimes included in the civil processetti records.
For example, from the 1832 processetti record of your ancestor Giovangiuseppe Piscione, we can see that he was baptized at S. Eraclio parish: https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ua42735/5YNXzg0
That said, for Pietravairano, it appears that both parish churches (S. Eraclio and S. Giovanni Evangelista) are actually headed by the same priest, so you should be able to visit either one to ask him about genealogical research. Furthermore, it appears that the 2nd parish S. Giovanni Evangelista was founded fairly recently, so I suspect all of your pre-1800 ancestors will be found at the parish S. Eraclio. In any case, if the priest decides to accept your research request, he'll certainly know how to direct you.
I do wish you the best of luck with your trip, but as I wrote in my last message, keep your expectations tempered and don't be disappointed if ever you are not permitted to access the church records, church records in Italy are not public!!
I don't know if you'll be visiting other towns, but the same applies.
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I was thinking it was S.Eraclio but I just couldn’t tell. Thank you so much !!! I won’t get my hopes up too much. It will be special just to go visit that church.
thank you,
Emily
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