Brienz BE - death - 1837- Michel - parents?
Child with no first name with Surname Michel ID 9NNY-V69 death date 2 August 1837 and buried 5 August 1837 in Brienz, Bern, Switzerland in Familysearch. He is found attached to two sets of parents both named Caspar Michel and Barbara Abplanap. The only document is burial record.
My interpretation of the child’s death record is:
Died 23 July 1837 Buried 25 July 1837. Mother or Father age 41 years 11 month.
My interpretation is that he is the child of older couple, Caspar Michel KHT9-ZCY and Barbara Abplanalp KC8R-3TY. (Not a German reader myself)
The dates of the document are different for death and burial, which belong to person below in the document.
If so the sealing to parents is to which set of parents?
And do I change the dates of death and burial?
VKysh
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This sort of question is difficult to discuss without seeing the actual records. As the Bern records on familysearch cannot be viewed from home, copies should be attached - preferably full page in original resolution (download - no screenshot).
After some searching I found the records on the Bern State Archive website - can be viewed freely but with inferior image quality. Found the child's death record (2./5. Aug) easily - but it took me some time to find the record on 23./25.July - as it is the mother's(!) death record - on another page, as males and females were recorded on separate pages.
Now we can finally come to your question:
If the mother died 23.07. whilst giving birth or shortly afterwards, this would usually be noted - but not necessarily. The boy died 10 days later - not baptised. Again unexpected: I would assume that if there was a problem with the birth, the child would be baptised pretty soon - although in the reformed church this was considered less urgent than in the catholic church. In other words - I have a few question marks but would not exclude this connection.
Who are the other "potential parents"?
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WSeelentag's assumption was my first thought too. But then I delved into the marriage and baptismal records of Brienz and found a much simpler solution.
Around 1800 there were three (!) married couples in Brienz with the names Kaspar Michel and Barbara Abplanalp:
Couple A married on March 5, 1771. However this couple is eliminated for further consideration due to age.
Couple B married on December 10, 1819, the woman's birthday is October 4, 1795.
Couple C married on March 21, 1828. This woman was born November 1, 1801.
The children of couples B and C can only be correctly assigned thanks to the first names of their grandfathers that are given in the baptismal entry. Thus the unbaptized boy belongs to couple C.
From the age of Barbara Abplanalp at her death, her date of birth can be calculated. This is to be taken with caution, however, since it was often calculated incorrectly. This also happened here, but the result (August 23, 1795) can now be assigned to the wife of couple B.
This can be certified by the fact that the couple C had two more children after 1837: Margaritha , born September 22, 1838 and Anna, born August 11, 1841.
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The baptism of Barbara Abplanalp (couple B) took actually place on August 30, 1795. The data in her marriage record which I took for granted seem to be wrong.
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Thank you Daniel.
I have made the correction of who are the correct parents. I also put credit to you and your note of why he belongs to this family in the note.
VKysh
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