Data de nascimento de bisavô - localizar documento
Encontrei o registro de óbito do meu bisavô e na pesquisa consta a data de nascimento em 1910 porém o documento digital nao informa essa data em nenhum lugar..Onde conseguiram essa data? Ele nasceu em 1903 e nao consigo encontrar a certidão de nascimento dele em nenhum lugar. Daí chego aqui e tem essa data de 1910 e sem mais nada??
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@IsabelaGuimaraes Could you provide a link to the document or the Person ID number so we can take a look?
Você poderia fornecer um link para o documento ou o número de identificação da pessoa para que possamos dar uma olhada?
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Here it is https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:77WJ-5C3Z?lang=pt
but on this page there's no 1910... only in the search when it displays 2 registers
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@IsabelaGuimaraes thanks for the link, I also cannot find a date on the document! @jamiehadlock can you take a look at this?
Obrigado pelo link, eu também não consigo encontrar uma data no documento! jamiehadlock
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I have looked at the document and had my son who knows portuguese look at it also. There is a note of rectification on the side of the page. The change was listed on the date 22 11 1983 which is 22 november 1983. The note indicates he died at age 79 not age 74.
Google translate
Eu examinei o documento e também pedi para meu filho, que sabe português, examiná-lo. Há uma nota de retificação na lateral da página. A alteração foi registrada na data 22/11/1983, que é 22 de novembro de 1983. A nota indica que ele faleceu aos 79 anos, e não aos 74 anos.
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That would fit the information because his birthday on the the record was december of 1903. In December he would have turned 80, which means he would have been born in 1903.
google translate:
Isso se encaixaria nas informações porque o registro indica que seu aniversário era em dezembro de 1903. Em dezembro ele teria completado 80 anos, o que significa que teria nascido em 1903.
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@IsabelaGuimaraes just wanted you to get the information I found on the record you requested information about
google translate
Só queria que você recebesse as informações que encontrei sobre o registro sobre o qual você pediu informações
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@jamiehadlock @ShelleWells yes, I think that's this rectification note that made them put this other date. I've been looking for his birth certificate or something from baptism but I really think that he wasn't registered before he got his ID.
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I may have found a sibling.
https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/9798/records/3559908
Let me know if you don't have ancestry
Name
Joao Do Nascimento
Gender
Male
Baptism Date
2 de jan de 1896 (2 Jan 1896)
Baptism Place
Nossa Senhora das Graças, Murici, Alagoas, Brazil
Father
Mother
FHL Film Number
1365898
It gives a maiden name for Leopldina. Tell me what you think
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https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/9799/records/10308589
Leopoldina Nascimento
Spouse
Child
FHL Film Number
004382204
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I found this also. Is this what you were looking for. I'm sorry but I can't make sense of the image at all
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@jamiehadlock I made a trial for Ancestry and asked my grandma about this Joao (she's the daughter of Francisco) but she said she doesnt know if he had any siblings. I was looking for information about Francisco do Nascimento (registration date and location or anything you could find!)! Looks like Joao do Nascimento and another sibling I found (Justina do Nascimento) had theirs baptisms =( but Francisco didnt have… or is not registered.
The only person I need, doesnt have anything about birth documented 😔 that's so frustrating…
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also, what is this FHL film number? 👀
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Also, when I found info from my grandma, I noted that the names of the rest of the people were wrong, like: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6VJP-D9BT?lang=pt, https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6VJP-D9BR?lang=pt, , https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6VJP-D9BY?lang=pt or https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6NVZ-V27L?lang=pt but I couldnt find anything using these names too.
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The FHL is the record number in familysearch archives. But ancestry has links to them also. The sibling mentioned above could be his sister not his daughter, due the date of the date of the christening. He may have named his daughter after his sibling.
I would look at the records more carefully of the people that don't seem to belong if they are available to look at and if you can read portuguese. Sometimes with the new AI helping of the records it is not really set up well in regards to relationships.
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@jamiehadlock I was saying that my grandma is Francisco's daughter and Justina is probably his sister, really. I can read Portuguese (I'm from Brasil) but I already looked at the registers that are available, but they are the same as the ones I have. This info about Joao and Justina is the only new info in the middle of everything =(
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i searched the FHL number for Joao and unfortuntely the record is currently being restricted at this time but it is worth checking back at a later time to see if it becomes available. It might also be worth searching the maiden name of the Leopoldina to see if other information can be found
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I searched for this 'new name' of her that you found...and couldn't find anything besides this other daughter Justina.
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