@AlexisGossner That is exciting that you have found 3 sisters that all immigrated from Egesheim to Schaffhausen in the same narrow time frame. That will give you confidence that you have the right records if the multiple names and birth dates all match. I notice that there is already a familysearch ID for the Bärenthal Johanna as "Joanna Beer", GSV3-ZM6 and she is already attached to a tree with a number of ancestors/siblings.

Be very careful with her father, Franciscus Xaverius Beer. The current ID MHBJ-LVK attached for her father gives his baptism as 10 JUL 1782 in Gammertingen,Hohenzollern,Prussia to Enoch and Clara Behr. This seems likely to be an error that needs to be checked out carefully. It seems more likely that her father would be the Franciscus Xaverius Beer , ID G7TC-KWY, who was baptized 29 Apr 1778 in Bärenthal, Sigmaringen, Hohenzollern, Preußen and son of Franciscus Xaverius Beer and Barbara Carlin: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VHS3-R4Y?lang=en

A death record in 1845 indexed as Franz X Behr at the age of 66 (so born ~1779) with wife Christina Engelhart might be his in nearby Nendingen https://www.meyersgaz.org/place/20252038

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:D7LZ-966Z?lang=en

And this might be the 1805 marriage record of Johanna Behr's parents indexed as Frantz Xaver Bär and Christina Engel_Rd in Hoppetenzell https://www.meyersgaz.org/place/10844009

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QBTM-WLPZ?treeref=G7TC-KWY&lang=en

The images of all these records are not available online from home but it looks like they are viewable at local family history centers. I encourage you to obtain the actual images of all records since they often have information not given in the indexed record and there are often errors in the indexing. This will help sort out which records belong to your Johanna Behr's ancestors. For instance, the above 1805 marriage record likely also records where the bride and groom are from, his occupation and might even give their parents names.

These records,if confirmed, show that the family did move a few times in the area and that many spelling variations were used for their surname. The two very similar Franz Xavier Beer baptisms also show how important it will be to examine the records carefully to avoid mix ups and why finding the 3 sisters records who all hopefully match is important.

If your Johanna Behr's father is confirmed to be the Franz Xavier Behr, b 1778, who is the son of Franz Xavier Behr and Barbara Carl(in) then here are their death records in Bärenthal which also give their parents names:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QB75-ZY2M?lang=en

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QB75-SCPZ?lang=en

You are welcome @AlexisGossner! I think you will be able to get the actual images at a local Family History Center. I was hoping they would be on Matricula https://data.matricula-online.eu/en/ which has a lot of Catholic records from Württemberg but I could not find them there.

One more interesting record that I came across is the 1849 marriage in Zizenhausen, Baden of Gebhard Wolf to Elisabeth Bär, b 30 June 1817, daughter of Franz Xaver Bär and Christina nee Engelhart. It is indexed by familysearch here:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:7MZ2-MG6Z?lang=en

But fortunately Matricula has Zizenhausen records online - by way of links to the Baden-Württemberg archives in Freiburg. It is on image 235 (Bild 235) here: https://www2.landesarchiv-bw.de/ofs21/bild_zoom/thumbnails.php?gewaehlteSeite=&thumbnailsProSeite=50&groesseThumbnails=400&bestand=10028&id=2242262&thumbnailsStart=201&ausgangspunkt=&thumbnailAusschnitt=&zustandDivOptionen=visible&treffer_dokumente=

This record is very nice in that it gives her actual birth date (30 June 1817) and states she is (currently) from Zizenhausen but goes on to say she is a middle-class subject (burgerlich) in Egesheim in the district of Spaichingen, Kingdom of Württemberg. It also states that she is the single daughter of the deceased forgemaster Franz Xavier Baer (=Bär) and the also deceased Christina Engelhart, middleclass people in Egesheim.

This Elisabeth is clearly the daughter of the Egesheim/Bärenthal Franz Xavier Bär and Christina Engelhart but her baptism doesn't show up in searches of the familysearch indexed records there. They do have an Elisabeth (born and died) in 1811 and an Elisabeth born in 1812 in Bärenthal. Perhaps the 1812 Elisabeth also died and the 1817 Elisabeth was born in some other parish whose records are not indexed or perhaps the indexing messed up the names?

Zizenhausen is just south of Hoppetenzell where the possible 1805 marriage of Franz Xavier and Christina is recorded.

You mentioned an Elisabeth Behr as one of the sisters going to Schaffhausen. Did she go as a single woman or was she perhaps married to a Gebhard Wolf?

@AlexisGossner

Some people like to do crossword puzzles, I like to solve geneology puzzles. So for me it is fun when an interesting puzzle comes along!

The 1805 marriage record does indeed say that the groom Franz X Bär is from "Berenthal" (Bärenthal) age 27 (so born 1778). The middle name is hard to read but appears to be a spelling variation for Xavier. The first witnesses is a Georg Bär, also from Bärenthal. There is a comment in the last column that says "a hammersmith" that probably applies to the witness. The bride is Christina Engelhard from Heidingsfeld? age 20 (so born 1780). The second witness is Elisabeth Engelhart from Heidingsfeld? and is identified as the sister of the bride.

The death record says that Franz X. Behr died 11 July 1845, was a married Pensioner forgemaster, allegedly 66 years old (so born about 1779) , wife's name (who was still alive) Christina Engelhart

From these two records and the 1849 marriage record of Elisabeth Bär, I think you can be confident that the 1805 marriage couple is the same as the couple of the same names having children in Bärenthal starting in 1809 and that he died in 11 July 1845. Since the 1849 marriage record indicates Christina Engelhard is deceased then she died between July 1845 and Septenber 1849. (There are also at least a couple births to this couple in Hoppetenzell between 1805 and 1808 that show up in familysearch.)

Since the records for the Franz X Bär who married Christina Engelhard say he was born in 1778 or 1779 and since he was in Bärenthal before and after his marriage I would conclude that the 29 April 1778 birth record in Bärenthal is his and that his parents are Franz Xavier Bär (Beer) and Barbara Carl(in). I would also look for any death or marriage records for the 1782 Franz Xavier Bär in Gammertingen to try to confirm that conclusion.

The 1817 Elisabeth Bär is interesting. The 1844 emigration record you have has the exact same birth date as the 1849 marriage so they are the same person. But she must not have married in Schaffhausen and must have returned to citizenship in Würtemberg because she appears to have emigrated again in 1849 to marry in Baden according to this record (Last entry says Elisabeth Bär from Egesheim, age 32, emigrating to Baden):

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSPM-Y7TF?cat=312692&i=48&lang=en

It seems very reasonable to conclude that your Johanna Behr in Schaffhausen is the Johanna Bär born in Bärenthal to Franz Xavier Bär and Christina Engelhard. She has the same birth date. The Emigration record that @sylviaelchinger1 posted on your other thread has her with the same birth date emigrating from Egesheim to Schaffhausen. The Johanna Bär born in Bärenthal had a sister Elisabeth Bär with the same exact birth date as the Elisabeth Bär who emigrated to Schaffhausen in 1844.

Lastly, the Bärenthal Johanna Bär had a sister Crescenzia born 16 May 1818. A Crescenzia Bär, age 18, filed in January, 1837 (so born before January, 1819) to emmigrate from Egesheim to Schaffhausen. This Crescenzia Bahr married Johann Bernard Lang in 1844. She was godparent to Johanna's son Gottfried and her husband was godparent to Johanna's daughter Elisabeth.

You may already have Crescenzia's emigration record here (starts Image 486, right side):

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSGD-53PS-6?cat=312692&i=485&lang=en

On the back of the January, 1837 document it gives her age as 18 (image 487). I could not find her exact birth date in this record but the age is consistent.

With all the matching data I think you can conclude that your Johanna Behr was born in Bärenthal, that her parents are Franz Xavier Bär and Christina Engelhard. And that Franz was born in Bärenthal in 1778 to Franz Xavier Bär and Barbara Carl.

But now I'm wondering where this Heidingsfeld? place is because you need to who are the parents of Christina Engelhart and her sister Elisabeth! It never ends!

There is a page in the Familienbuch II (of Bärenthal, Hohenzollern, Preußen) for Franz Xaver Bär, born ? (can't read the day) Jan 1750 and his wife Barbara Karle, born 13 Aug 1750 (the names of their parents are also given). They have the following children:

Joseph, born 10 Nov 1775 (Familenbuch page 7)

Johann Georg, born 24 ? (I see the number 1, which could mean January) 1777 (Familienbuch page 5)

Franz Xaver, born 29 Apr 1778 (Familienbuch page 3 - see below)

Anna Maria Cajetana, born 6 Aug 1782 (no Familienbuch page)

These four children are listed (along with five other ones) on the FS page of the married couple Xaverius Beer MDGG-Q31 and Barbara Carlin MDGG-QQJ. Note that the children's birth dates in the Familienbuch are the same as the birth dates in FS. And the marriage date of Franz Xaver and Barbara in the Familienbuch is the same as Xaverius and Barbara's marriage date in FS.

According to the family book, Christina Engelhardt is indeed from Heidingsfeld, near Würzburg.

@AlexisGossner Since there doesn't seem to be any further record for the 1812 Elisabeth Bär and the 1817 Elisabeth magically appears for the first time in 1844 then it's certainly possible that there is some documentation error and they are the same person. But it could also just be that we haven't found the other records for these two because they happened in unindexed or poorly indexed parishes we haven't looked at. And the dates are not just off by year but also month and day so it's not just someone misreading a 2 as a 7. It seems an unlikely error to happen twice but I suppose that the birth dates for the emigration and marriage records could both be based upon a single birth certificate that was prepared for Elisabeth. It's not unusual for death record ages to be off- especially if it gives the age in only years. You might want to get an image of the death record and see if it actually gives the age as x years, y months and z days. Sometimes the indexer only records the years.

The two additional Heidingsfeld birth records are not for Johann Michael Engelhard's children. The first is a child named Michael Joseph, illegitimate son of Barbara Engelhard. The second is Joseph, son of Urbani? Engelhard and Anna Marie ??

I also looked through the marriage register and was disappointed that their marriage was not there. There are so many Engelhard records that I thought sure they would be there. There is a Johann Michael Engelhard listed in the baptism register for 1747 that I thought might be him. Since there were so many Engelhards I wondered if maybe he left to work nearby and married there before coming home. I took a wild shot at nearby Würzburg since it was a bigger city that might offer work opportunities. Found their marriage in the first place I looked, June 1784:

https://data.matricula-online.eu/en/deutschland/wuerzburg/wuerzburg-sankt-peter-und-paul-innenstadt/05770/?pg=209

And it turns out that Johann Michael Engelhard is not originally from Heidingsfeld at all (he is not the 1747 one in the register). So I looked at the right place for the wrong reason and just got lucky! I'm having a lot of trouble reading this latin record and reading the villages names. You might want to start a new post for this marriage record and request a translation.

Edit to add:

Curiosity got me to look at the marriage register for more Bollewitz's and I found the marriage records for Johanna Bollewitz's parents:

https://data.matricula-online.eu/en/deutschland/wuerzburg/wuerzburg-sankt-peter-und-paul-innenstadt/05770/?pg=69

The register spells the surname with a B but the actual record spells the surname with a P. (interchange of these two letters is not uncommon in German records). This is another record I can't read too well so you should also post it as a new translation request. What I do see is that they are from Hungary so now you have traced some of this families roots from Switzerland across Baden, Württemberg and Bayern to Hungary!

'Hamerwerk' (correctly Hammerwerk) is probably not a place name but means 'hammer works' or 'hammer mill', an early industrial forge. Note that the occupation of Johann Georg Bär is given as Hammerschmidt, hammer smith.

A Google search of "Hammerwerk Bärental" yields a few links to historical documents about this forge in Bärental. However, the actual documents are not available online.

https://www.leo-bw.de/en-GB/detail/-/Detail/details/DOKUMENT/wlbblb_labi/1747334/Zur+Geschichte+des+ehemaligen+Hammerwerks+B%C3%A4rental

https://www.deutsche-digitale-bibliothek.de/item/7GBVYRB4GCXEWGAYBW5WQA2OOFKJEUE4

https://www.deutsche-digitale-bibliothek.de/item/5JAY5JJG4HZFCNALKGZDO3QOZBHPN44W

https://www.leo-bw.de/en-GB/detail-gis/-/Detail/details/ORT/labw_ortslexikon/14044/x

The last link gives a short history of the hammer mill in Bärental:

A hammer mill was built on land purchased from Beuron Monastery in 1700, which was pastorally cared for by the monastery until secularization, but was then parished to Bärenthal and later to Nusplingen (administrative area of Meßstetten, Zollernalb district). The hammer mill was sold to the Barons of Ulm in 1822, who converted it into a paper mill, but sold it on in 1836. Soon afterwards, the paper mill was abandoned and a grinding mill was set up.