tranlation help please

brother Barry

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could someone please translate this marriage record of Johann and Catharina

16 nov 1779 from Nimburg

thank you in advance

Barry

brother Barry

oops i should have added Johanns birth record for comparison of parents

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first on left page and the marriage record is #5 on right page

Barry

sylviaelchinger1

Here's the translation -

16 November 1779

Johannes Bieler,

citizen and master shoemaker, legitimate single son of the citizen and master baker here Jakob Bieler and Catherine nee Allbrecht and

Catharina Lauternschlager,

legitimate single daughter of the citizen and master cooper here Andreas Lautenschlager and Catharina nee Schreck.

brother Barry

oops I should have asked for a translation of the birth record as well

sylviaelchinger could you translate the birth record also

thank you Barry

sylviaelchinger1

Sure. Here's the translation of the birth record -

In left-hand margin - born 4 March, 7am, baptized 5 March

Johannes + [died] 1813 28 November Bieler

Parents - Jakob Bieler the baker and member of the court here and Catharina nee Engler

Witnesses - Caspar Meyer the unmarried smith

Hans Jerg Frey, citizen and member of the court

Anna Maria Matthias [Johorn?]

and Anna Maria Paul Küm-

merlin's wife, all from here.

brother Barry

sylviaelchinger:

thank you for the translation of these records.

In your opinion are these Johann's the same person.

The mothers maiden name is not the same in both records.

thank you

barry

sylviaelchinger1

Given that the mother's maiden names are completely different (not just a spelling variation of something similar) I'd say that they are probably not the same Johannes. Maybe look for another marriage record for the father? Or a death record for another Johannes? It's not uncommon for parents to reuse a given name when the first child of that name has died before the next child appears.