*Solved* Please help translate entry number 21.
I believe this is the birth record of an immigrant ancestor I’ve been chasing for years, Johann Conrad Holzgrefe. Please help me identify
- the actual record type
- the date(s) of the event(s)
- the names of those involved
- where they are from (record is from Eldagsen)/occupations
- relationship of others to my ancestor
- any other useful information
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This is a civil death record, created on 11 March 1811.
Death date: 10 March 1811
of local [Eldagsen] farmer Johann Conrad Holzgrefe age 63 years, husband of Ilse Maria née Ißen age 52 years, son of Jobst Heinrich Holzgrefe and Maria née Dayeßen
died at 9 p.m., at home house no. 176
informants were:
local seller of leatherwear and master shoemaker Johann Daniel Kersting, age 52 years (neighbor of deceased) and
local master wood joiner Johann Christian Kasten (brother-in-law of deceased), age 49 years
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The record states:
On 11 March 1811 at 10 a.m. appeared before me, Benjamin Christoph Strecker, second pastor and civil official of the parish of Eldagsen in canton Elze in the Aller department,
- the local leatherware seller and master shoemaker Johann Daniel Kersting, age 52, and
- the local master joiner Johann Christian Kasten,
the first as a neighbor and the second as a brother-in-law of the deceased, and declared that on 10 March 1811 at 9 p.m., the local farmer Johann Conrad Holzgrefe, age 63,
husband of Ilsa Maria née Ißen, age 52,
son of Jobst Heinrich Holzgrefe and Maria née Daveßen,
in his residence in Obernstadt (could be a place, or could mean in the upper part of town) number 176, died.
After I went with them on 11 March 1811 at 4 p.m. to the house to be sure of this death, I created this document, and both I and the informants, after having read the document aloud, signed it:
Benjamin Christoph Strecker, Johann Christian Kasten, Johann Daniel Kersting
Smaller note in the right-hand column:
The joiner Kasten was age 49.
[signed] Johann Christian Kasten, Johann Daniel Kersting, Benjamin Christoph Strecker
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There are records for Eldagsen on Archion.de (a subscription website to German Protestant records) as well, including earlier records than on FamilySearch. You're definitely going to want to get an Archion subscription if you don't already, because these records are gold; they have various options, including a 1-month subscription for 20 Euro (see shop). His church burial record is much less detailed than the civil death record, but here is the link anyway: www.archion.de/p/54f61afcca/ The record states that Johannes Conrad Holzgrefe, son of Jobst Heinrich Holzgrefe and Marie Daevessen [I've fixed the spelling of her name in my previous comment, as the spelling is much clearer here], husband of Ilse Marie Ihssen, died at age 63 on 10 March 1811 and was buried on 13 March 1811. This puts his birth year at 1847/1848. His birth is listed in the Eldagsen parish (www.archion.de/p/d16cdc6aa0/); the record states: On 13 Feb 1748, Jobst Holzgreffe's son was baptized; the godparent was Johann Hinrich Wecke; he named the child Johann Conradt. There are also name registers for the Eldagsen parish, which is incredibly helpful:
The register (www.archion.de/p/e73f13e1da/) lists the marriage of Johann Conrad Holzgrefe as being entry 15 in year 1785; and on image 95 he is listed with a marriage entry 9 in 1780.
The 4 Dec 1785 marriage (www.archion.de/p/88fad4ec16/) is of widower Johann Conrad Holzgrefe, citizen and farmer, son of deceased Jobst Heinrich Holzgrefe, and Miss Ilse Maria Issen, legitimate daughter of deceased Johann Friedrich Ihsen, former local blacksmith.
The 20 July 1780 marriage (www.archion.de/p/9726fdb7d8/) is of Johann Conrad Holzgrefe and widow Sophia Louisa Küsel. The couple's parents' names aren't listed, but this is likely the previous marriage of your Johann Conrad Holzgrefe.
If you browse the register for the Holzgrefe surname in the far left column, you can find potential children of Johann Conrad (possibly from both marriages) and then look up their baptismal records to see whether they are his children.
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Wow! Thank you so much! This is great! I'll have to dedicate more time to this soon and get that subscription. Thank you for the bait. I think I'll bite. And maybe just maybe his son is the ancestor I'm looking for.
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Hello McKay,
After your question was answered, did you add the word "Solved" to your original heading? If so, that is a very clever thing to do as it tells other community members that the question has been satisfactorily answered.
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Yep! Learned that trick from a Facebook group. Helps to optimize the process and makes it easier on everyone while still leaving the post there for future reference.
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Thanks for your reply, McKay. What a great idea! It makes perfect sense.
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You're very welcome, McKay! I was hoping Archion would have more records for this specific parish than FamilySearch did, so I was excited to see it's so! You can see what record types/years are available for a parish without being subscribed, but to see the records themselves a subscription is necessary.
By the way, Gina pointed out that the month of the death is March, not May, so I double-checked and have corrected that in my comment.
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Thanks. Got the correction. Maybe I’ll find someone local to me to share the subscription.
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I went ahead and got a subscription and am loving this site! Wow! I've found so much already. Thank you for the suggestion!
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You're welcome, McKay! Archion is an absolutely amazing site, and I'm glad you're finding so much!
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