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Looking for Records on Kevin Barry, Dublin Barman Killed by Black and Tans

Jack61450
Jack61450 ✭
June 26 edited June 26 in Social Groups

Hello everyone,

I wanted to share some information about my great-grandmother’s brother, Kevin Barry. He is not the famous Kevin Barry, but a different individual who lived in Dublin. When Kevin was around 19 years old, working as a barman, he was punched with the barrel of a gun by members of the Black and Tans, who later killed him.

I have looked for his death record on the Irish Genealogy website but found no results except for a Kevin Barry who was executed—likely the famous one.

If anyone has any records, stories, or information about this Kevin Barry, I would be very grateful to learn more to help with my family history.

Thank you!

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  • Áine Ní Donnghaile
    Áine Ní Donnghaile ✭✭✭✭✭
    June 26

    It would help if you told us in what year Kevin was 19.

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  • Jack61450
    Jack61450 ✭
    June 26

    I think it was around the 1916 rising so probaly 1919-1920

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  • John Curran
    John Curran ✭✭✭
    June 29

    @Jack61450

    Wikipedia indicates that recruitment for the Black and Tans commenced in January 1920, and the force was disbanded by the end of 1922.

    So, if your Kevin Barry was killed by the action of the Black and Tans, the years 1920 to 1922 would be the relevant years. It would be prudent to include 1923 as a death occurring late in 1922 may not be recorded to 1923. Thus, 1920 to 1923 would be the years to search.

    Looking at those years in the death records for Dublin (Dublin North, Dublin South & Dublin) there are 70 recorded deaths with surname Barry or similar (Barry, Carry, Garry, Barr, Farry, Parry, Warry, Berry). Unfortunately, there are no deaths for a person of 19 +/- 5 years who is recorded as having a cause of death related to what you describe.

    Could he have died in a place other than Dublin? Could some of the details be incorrect?

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  • Jack61450
    Jack61450 ✭
    June 30

    yes that is possibly mabye other close counties and may I ask where you found teh death reocrds for Barry? Would they be on Irish Genealogy or another website?

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  • John Curran
    John Curran ✭✭✭
    July 1

    I got the information on Barry deaths from www.irishgenealogy.ie

    This is the site of record for Irish births, deaths and marriages. All other sites are simply re-hosting data from this site.

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  • Jack61450
    Jack61450 ✭
    July 1 edited July 1

    Quick update on the Kevin Barry I’ve been researching — just found a birth record for a John Kevin Barry, and it has the correct parents listed, so I’m pretty confident it’s him.

    Looks like Kevin was actually his middle name, and he went by that instead of John.

    Kind of a fun find! I didn’t realize how common it was for people to go by their middle names — has anyone else run into this in their research?

    link to the birth record

    https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/view/?record_id=5fc6443d7a-1647553

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  • John Curran
    John Curran ✭✭✭
    July 2

    @Jack61450 Being known by your middle name in day-to-day life is super common in Ireland, both then and still today.

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