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michael dgoersmeyer
michael dgoersmeyer ✭✭
March 18 in Social Groups

From what I Know My grandmother was adopted but I don't know her parents , How do I find The birth record. Her name is Virginia Amore and she was born in Catania Italy Her birth was Oct 22, 1896. Can someone help me. I tried looking in Catania Italy in family search but I could not find her.

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  • SantaNinfa
    SantaNinfa ✭✭✭
    March 18

    Hi!

    There will be a few problems with your search that you will need to try and overcome.

    First, Catania is both a city and a Province. And, in that province there are many towns and hamlets. In Italian research, you need to know the town or hamlet. Think as if someone said they were from New York. Your first question would be "Where in NY? New York State or New York City?" Then, depending on the answer, you would ask, what county or town? The same applies here.

    Once this is known, then you 'may' be able to find a birth record or a baptismal record.

    I recommend you exhaust US records about her, especially passenger ship manifests, to try and discover this information. Answering questions such as where and when did she enter the US, did she marry, if so where and when? Was there a church marriage? Did she naturalize? When she died, was there an obituary?

    The answers to all of these questions, and the documents related to them, may very well contain this critical information.

    Failing that, you are looking for the proverbial needle.

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  • Cousin Vinny
    Cousin Vinny ✭✭✭✭
    March 22

    She may have married in Maletto, but the civil marriage records for the town from 1911-1929 are blocked from access on FamilySearch due to privacy concerns with other records on the same film. When her husband Giuseppe naturalized in 1920, he wasn't married (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSMG-1SH6-3?cat=1048881&i=365&lang=en), and so when he married Virginia, she became a US citizen automatically and when he brought her to the US in 1921, she was listed with him on the US citizen manifest (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J6JH-CPJ) so there's no data about her residence or birthplace.

    Here is their church marriage record from Maletto in 1921: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:2:77T8-8NCM?cat=1919399&i=269&lang=en

    It seems to say Grazia Virginia Amore was from the same town, but I'm not 100% certain due to the handwriting.

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  • SantaNinfa
    SantaNinfa ✭✭✭
    March 22

    @Cousin Vinny @michael dgoersmeyer

    Yeah, I totally agree. I saw the trees over on Ancestry and some of what others had on the family, including the 'story' on FindAGrave.

    I found the birth for Giueseppe Londrigo https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ua81564/wWG81NW

    Great find for the marriage - I hadn't gotten to the church records.

    I think the key word in that marriage is 'ignoto' - tells us Grazia Virginia Amore would probably have no parents listed on her birth record - which I do not see having occurred in Maletto in 1894 through 1896. I also checked Mascali (based on handwriting) and nothing there either.

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  • michael dgoersmeyer
    michael dgoersmeyer ✭✭
    March 23

    So how do I find her Birth Record.

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  • Cousin Vinny
    Cousin Vinny ✭✭✭✭
    March 23

    I think it does say "huius comm[unis] Malecti" - of this town of Maletto (Malectum in Latin).

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  • SantaNinfa
    SantaNinfa ✭✭✭
    March 23

    Indeed. And, I was thinking that Ne Temere would sort of require that their church wedding take place in her parish. I looked. I do not believe there is a birth record for her.

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  • Cousin Vinny
    Cousin Vinny ✭✭✭✭
    March 23

    Found her - born in Catania 22 Oct 1896: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L97K-8X1X

    #483

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  • SantaNinfa
    SantaNinfa ✭✭✭
    March 23

    Fantastic - great find! I did not look in Catania.

    @michael dgoersmeyer

    So, it is confirmed, she was a foundling born on 22-Oct-1896 in Catania, Catania, Italy and was named Virginia Amore. No parents named.

    See the link above found by @Cousin Vinny

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  • michael dgoersmeyer
    michael dgoersmeyer ✭✭
    March 23

    Can you please translate the birth record for me Please.

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  • Cousin Vinny
    Cousin Vinny ✭✭✭✭
    March 24 edited March 24

    This is what I put when I linked the record to the FS profile:

    #483, 10 Nov 1896 - received report from the director of the foundling hospice dated 22 Oct 1896: On 22 Oct 1896 at 10am, Carmela Mignemi of Catania appeared and declared to present a female baby about 8 hours old, with (description of clothing articles). The baby was baptized in Catania 22 Oct 1896 with the name Virginia Amore, recorded as #2395 in the foundling register.

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  • michael dgoersmeyer
    michael dgoersmeyer ✭✭
    March 25

    So how do I find who adopted Virginia Amore.

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  • Cousin Vinny
    Cousin Vinny ✭✭✭✭
    March 26 edited March 26

    That information won't be online. It would be with the records of the foundling hospice in Catania. The state archives of Catania might have those records but I couldn't say.

    And it's not adoption. There might have been a paid wet nurse (or series of wet nurses) who took care of her for a time, and she might have been affiliated with a foster family. But infant / child adoption in Italy really wasn't a thing until well into the 1940s or so.

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  • michael dgoersmeyer
    michael dgoersmeyer ✭✭
    March 26

    So how can I find information of the wet nurses that took care of my grandmother as an infant. Also is there a person to translate if I knew who to write to. Are you able to get the information where I might be able to write to. To find who the foster family that took my grandmother into there home & raised her.

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  • michael dgoersmeyer
    michael dgoersmeyer ✭✭
    March 26

    Could This Carmela Mignemi of Catania be the foster parent? Or is she only a by stander.

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  • Cousin Vinny
    Cousin Vinny ✭✭✭✭
    March 28

    Impossible to say who she is.

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  • michael dgoersmeyer
    michael dgoersmeyer ✭✭
    March 29

    So what do you think I should do about her parents? Since she was adopted as a child?

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  • Cousin Vinny
    Cousin Vinny ✭✭✭✭
    April 1 edited April 1

    Sometimes there simply is no answer based on the available information. Her birth parents are legally unknown. If you discover through research some documentation showing she was fostered as a child, they could be added as foster parents in the FamilySearch tree. And you might be able to use DNA testing to possibly triangulate potential birth parents. Otherwise, you leave the biological parents blank on the tree because their identities are unknown.

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