Can you help with the surname in the record described?
The following snip is from "England Marriages, 1538–1973" item 836, film 004033324.
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The transcript is Raph Burrow and Alice Traynne for 02 September 1610. Other references say Alice's surname is Cramme. Can you help with that?
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Beats me I'm afraid. If anyone wants to look at the whole image, the link is
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6L2H-2B?i=835
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I've spent quite a time looking back and forth between the image provided and lists of examples of secretary hand and am still baffled! Unfortunately, I can't get Graham's link to produce the page in question, as examining examples in other entries is usually a help.
The thick line at the top of the first letter is strange, but the thick line below it appears to belong to the entry below. On balance, that first letter appears more as a C rather than a T, but it's the second letter that is confusing me. It certainly doesn't look like an "r", but just could be an "l". However, I don't want to confuse you further, so admit I am stumped as much as Graham appears to be. (It's even difficult to see where the name ends - see the word / phrase following Burrow.)
(The page at http://broadcast.lds.org/elearning/FHD/Community/en/FamilySearch/Handwriting/English/Lesson_1/English_Secretary_Hand_Alphabet_Examples.pdf doesn't really provide much help, as I found the case with examples elsewhere on the web.)
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I have in fact spent a considerable amount of time searching other enties. I agree that there is carry over from the entry below and have deduced that the first letter is a "T" based on what I can make out definitively as "Thomas" in other entries. (See entries for October 2 as well as 7, 1610, or my snip below.) I think there is some bleed through from the back page helping to confuse things.
Paul, as you can't see the full page of the record, I have attached a snip to show my deduction as to the "T."
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I am as confused, as you are, about the rest of the surname. Not sure I can see the_ramme there.
Anyway, I'll keep investigating. Thank you for your efforts into this mystery.
Don
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Good morning. I agree the first letter looks more like a C and fits the Cramme more than Traynne. I was able to find a brief history of the name Cramme in searches but nothing for Traynne.
Check out the below listed link maybe it can send you forward in your search.
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Appreciate the input.
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